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camerondiggs 12-26-2006 05:47 PM

Did I overdo the turn here
 
Villian is relatively new to the table. Hasnt been involved much. Did I spew the turn here by 3 betting after the C/r?

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (13.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.20 BB

BigBadBabar 12-26-2006 05:51 PM

Re: Did I overdo the turn here
 
no, postflop is fine, and i'd raise the river too. your hand is very well disguised, looks like an overpair more than a set. i wouldn't raise it preflop personally. not exactly sure what villain has so if he 3bet the river i'd just call.

Tiburon 12-26-2006 06:02 PM

Re: Did I overdo the turn here
 
*grunch*

I think you're 3-bet is fine. You're only losing to QQ or 66 here. Queens are not very likely due to his preflop play. He could be overplaying an overpair or AQ, so I think the 3-bet is fine. I probably just call the river too.

Arcturus 12-26-2006 06:14 PM

Re: Did I overdo the turn here
 
Don't raise preflop. Rest looks fine.

Shillx 12-26-2006 06:15 PM

Re: Did I overdo the turn here
 
Is 53s a possible hand? You can put some people on exactly 22 but there certainly are people who you would want to slow down against. This looks like 53 to me but if you can eliminate that hand then you have to assume that you are good here.

whoisthedrizzle 12-26-2006 06:25 PM

Re: Did I overdo the turn here
 
I prefer to limp a pair of 4s in this spot, but your post flop play seems fine. 66 and 35 are pretty much the only hands to worry about, and villain can raise the turn with a lot of hands you beat. Raising the river after an unknown caps the turn seems like spew though.

Christian_Peters 12-26-2006 06:25 PM

Re: Did I overdo the turn here
 
FWIW, cut the action after villian c/r's the Turn. It will illicit less biased responses.

PF: Don't raise unless you have a read that UTG+1 is weak, and even then don't raise because you're MP2.

F: Fine.

T: No. I don't think 3-betting the c/r is spew. Villain does this w/
Q6
Q4
Q2
22
66
35

Given the way he played PF and flop, which of these hands are more likely?????

VirgilStarkwell 12-26-2006 06:26 PM

Re: Did I overdo the turn here
 
grunch
Unless I am missing something, turn is good and river raise is in order. Maybe UTG+1 is one of those wacky guys who doesn't like to raise preflop from early position, and he's got QQ. But in that case he'd likely play AA and KK in just the same way, there's no reason to suspect he has top set. Something like A3 hearts is consistent with his flop and river bets, but not his turn c/r. I think 22 or weirdly played AA or KK are his most likely holdings.

RemyXO 12-26-2006 06:29 PM

Re: Did I overdo the turn here
 
Why preflop raise???
The rest is goot.

camerondiggs 12-26-2006 06:41 PM

Re: Did I overdo the turn here
 
I rose PF because this table was tight and raising was definetly eliminating players. The table was straightforward and I felt I could get away pretty easily. That and I had been very tight up until this point as well


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