Flopping Full House question
 

In a potlimit game with 55xx I flopped 7d7h5d in a 3 way raised pot. First to act, I decided to bet the pot.

My thinking was that someone with a 7 would pay me off and draws might still call. Both players folded but should I have slowplayed more.

How would you play this hand?

Cheers.

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Bet/fold.

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bet, evaluate if raised.

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Stack sizes have a lot to do with it too right?

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Bet. With a small stack I'm basically committed after flopping that. With a big stack I rather bet and find out cheaply now if I am beat because c/c or c/r can get real expensive here while drawing dead or are barely ahead.

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Bet/fold.

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Really? We're a 57% favorite against trips. Are we that worried about quads or the overfull? Besides, I think quads/overfull slowplay this flop 100% of the time.

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~100bb deep b/3b all-in is perfectly fine.

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call me a nit, but i hate underfulls. terrible reverse implied odds - you will be flipping even if you´re ahead at this point , but you may be dead as well. i guess i´d bet the flop and slow down if i get called as just about every card in the deck will hurt me. bet/fold is pretty standard on this flop.

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you will be flipping even if you´re ahead at this point


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pokenum -o 5s 5d js th - 7c 9d qs kh -- 7s 7d 5h
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 7s 7d 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Js 5s 5d Th 474 57.80 346 42.20 0 0.00 0.578
Qs 7c 9d Kh 346 42.20 474 57.80 0 0.00 0.422

58:42 is not exactly flipping, and this is the worst case scenario (when you are ahead) with 9 live outs. often he has a pair in his hand and/or you are blocking some of the outs. and sometimes players get frisky with overpairs, flush draws and wraps etc. even at paired boards.

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COUNTERPOINT:
pokenum -o 5s 5d js th - 5c 6d 7h 8s -- 7s 7d 5h
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 7s 7d 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Js 5s 5d Th 6 0.73 814 99.27 0 0.00 0.007
8s 5c 6d 7h 814 99.27 6 0.73 0 0.00 0.993

If you are behind, you are behind a lot.

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More counterpoint: Hero has two opponents - right? I realize this is far fetched, but if both opponents have a seven, it's pretty easy for Hero to be behind:

twodimes.net/h/?z=3964808
pokenum -o js 5s 5d th - qs 7c 9d kh - 8s 7h ac 6c -- 7s 7d 5h
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing 7s 7d 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Js 5s 5d Th 189 28.38 477 71.62 0 0.00 0.284
Qs 7c 9d Kh 252 37.84 414 62.16 0 0.00 0.378
8s Ac 6c 7h 225 33.78 441 66.22 0 0.00 0.338

I try to avoid the dilemma by not voluntarily playing starting hands with low pairs. I hate underboats.

In addition to possible quads, there are always six possible full houses when the board has a pair and Hero doesn't have one of the cards of the pair. In case the board on the river ends up 775TJ, Hero has the worst possible full house and can't very well tell if someone betting on the river has a seven, perhaps with an ace kicker, or sevens full (or jacks full or tens full or quad sevens).

Ugh.

Having written the above, I agree whole heartedly with betting the pot after this flop and hoping for the best. Maybe nobody will have a seven (most likely), or at least maybe only one opponent will have a seven with no five (second most likely). And in either case, Hero is ahead.

Buzz

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COUNTERPOINT:
pokenum -o 5s 5d js th - 5c 6d 7h 8s -- 7s 7d 5h
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 7s 7d 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Js 5s 5d Th 6 0.73 814 99.27 0 0.00 0.007
8s 5c 6d 7h 814 99.27 6 0.73 0 0.00 0.993

If you are behind, you are behind a lot.

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That's about in line with the odds of villain having a 5 in his hand 45/1.

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Hi thisnamedoesntfi - [ QUOTE ]
That's about in line with the odds of villain having a 5 in his hand 45/1.

[/ QUOTE ]No. And you can do this one in your head.

The probability of one opponent having a five is 1- 41/45 or 4/45, making the odds against it 41 to 4.

The 41/45 results from a cancellation of terms. The whole expression is really
1-C(44,4)/C(45,4) and that immediately reduces to 1-41/45.

See it?

Buzz

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I see it Buzz, but (not sure I understand it) doesn't that make the whole theory of blockers obsolete? Personally I hate blockers, every time I think I have them they aren't blocking squat. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]