Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
 

villian is unkown, anyways he called both the flop and turn very fast, which to me, means draws, i have a pot sized bet left. Is this still an ez shove? B/f 700? C/c? c/f?

Full Tilt Poker Game #3946822491: $55,000 Guarantee (29411483), Table 28 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:48:45 ET - 2007/10/23
Seat 1: Draften (8,137)
Seat 2: charder30 (3,990)
Seat 3: rojames (3,815)
Seat 4: dsgnr4hire (2,090)
Seat 5: YogAce (2,785), is sitting out
Seat 7: THE__D__RY (3,628)
Seat 9: Numba0neStunn4 (10,455)
charder30 posts the small blind of 25
rojames posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to charder30 [Tc Ts]
dsgnr4hire raises to 150
YogAce folds
THE__D__RY folds
Numba0neStunn4 folds
Draften folds
charder30 calls 125
rojames has 15 seconds left to act
rojames calls 100
*** FLOP *** [Qc 5c Th]
charder30 bets 300
rojames calls 300
dsgnr4hire folds
*** TURN *** [Qc 5c Th] [3h]
charder30 bets 850
rojames calls 850
*** RIVER *** [Qc 5c Th 3h] [2c]
charder30 has 15 seconds left to act
charder30 has requested TIME
charder30 ...?

Re: Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
 

bet more on the flop. i kinda like b/f 700 on river. i think he folds qx to a shove sometimes and of course with the timing tell he can def show up with a flush here. i also never expect him to fold a pair when we bet this small. i don't think we get bluffed too often although in terms of exploitable bet sizing vs. unknowns this seems like a spot where we would get bluffed more often than usual.

Re: Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
 

Full Tilt Poker Game #3946915470: $55,000 Guarantee (29411483), Table 28 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:57:42 ET - 2007/10/23
Seat 1: Draften (8,182)
Seat 2: charder30 (5,380)
Seat 3: rojames (2,035)
Seat 4: dsgnr4hire (1,850)
Seat 5: YogAce (2,695), is sitting out
Seat 6: Ames_is_Queen (4,310)
Seat 7: THE__D__RY (3,838)
Seat 8: ChipSteela (6,260)
Seat 9: Numba0neStunn4 (10,620)
charder30 posts the small blind of 30
rojames posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to charder30 [Kc Ad]
dsgnr4hire folds
YogAce folds
Ames_is_Queen folds
THE__D__RY has 15 seconds left to act
THE__D__RY folds
ChipSteela raises to 180
Numba0neStunn4 raises to 480
Draften folds
charder30 has 15 seconds left to act
charder30 has requested TIME
charder30

Re: Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
 

shove/call

Re: Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
 

[ QUOTE ]
shove/call

[/ QUOTE ]

Re: Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
 

Shove. The timing tell could mean any number of things in this spot. That's right Charder, we're telling you to spew to your hearts content here, have a ball!

Re: Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
 

[ QUOTE ]
That's right Charder, we're telling you to spew to your hearts content here, there, everywhere!, have a ball!

[/ QUOTE ]

Re: Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
That's right Charder, we're telling you to spew to your hearts content here, there, everywhere!, have a ball!

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

ur so mean.

yeah i shoved, and he folded, not idea what he had

Re: Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
 

[ QUOTE ]
anyways he called both the flop and turn very fast, which to me, means draws

[/ QUOTE ]

It means mid pair or like JJ here. I don't I've ever seen anyone snapcall with draws.

Re: Fuper river spot (with timing tell?)
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
anyways he called both the flop and turn very fast, which to me, means draws

[/ QUOTE ]

It means mid pair or like JJ here. I don't I've ever seen anyone snapcall with draws.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah it's my experience too that it's not as much a draw as a made weak hand, like QJ etc. Draws *usually* will take more time to decide on a reraise/call.