400nl JJ oop
 

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $567.90
CO: $467
Button: $127.60
Hero: $516.30
BB: $1840.20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $18</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $62</font>, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($132, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $88</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($308, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($308, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $216</font>.


Villain is taggy. We haven't clashed, but my image is loose. Worth a call?

Re: 400nl JJ oop
 

id bet more on the flop, and id fold the river

Re: 400nl JJ oop
 

I'd fold the river too with no history.

Re: 400nl JJ oop
 

yeah seems like a really standard fold on the river. the only things that i see betting the river with any large frequency that we are ahead of is pure floats, and without a great read on the villain, i dont think we can ever call profitably here.

Re: 400nl JJ oop
 

Imo most of the time he calls the flop when ahead, raises when behind.

Re: 400nl JJ oop
 

I would expect him to try to pick up the pot with a worse hand on the turn, the river bet feels like value. I would fold without any history.

Re: 400nl JJ oop
 

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Imo most of the time he calls the flop when ahead, raises when behind.

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agree, im also leading the river for this reason

Re: 400nl JJ oop
 

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Imo most of the time he calls the flop when ahead, raises when behind.

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Good point. A flop call seems like monster or a medium strength hand that he suspects is WA/WB. Something like AK, KQs, JJ+, right? I guess I was thinking at the time that 88-TT were also very likely and dismissed AK because he didnt 4-bet pre or raise the flop. He also wouldnt turn these medium strength hands into bluffs, since they have lots of showdown value.

Re: 400nl JJ oop
 

looks like a fold to me, I do not see many hands you beat that call on the flop and decide to value bet the river.

I'm pretty sure you are beat since the guys is TAGGY ...

Re: 400nl JJ oop
 

so we bet the flop to get raised? I don't get it.