Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

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MP1 ($14.15)
MP2 ($39.95)
MP3 ($33.95)
Hero ($28.25)
Button ($3.40)
SB ($24.75)
BB ($25)
UTG ($4.40)
UTG+1 ($20.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $1.5</font>, Hero calls $1.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $1.25, UTG+1 calls $0.75.

Flop: ($6.10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $2</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $23.5</font>, Hero ???

What exactly can we put BB on here, smooth calling a 3 bet preflop? TT? JJ? The line seems to an even better fit for a set miner. If he'd been the preflop aggressor, it'd have been all fine, but this seems to be a bit trickier. I think as long as he can do this a fraction of the time with TT or JJ, it's a good call, but by no means a fist pump I think...


On a slightly related note, how much equity do you think I need to call 4-bet shoves from unknowns at NL25 with QQ? I think it's safe to assume they're usually KK+, but wondering what degree it is AK, JJ and other random stuff to make it worthwhile? I'm getting into situations like 1.67:1 (needing 37.5% equity). It's +EV if they're shoving with JJ or AK a bit less than half the time, but I'm not sure what a good approximation is.

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

Only read the title; no.

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

he's going to have 98 often enough or some other hand

though you are going to be behind a modest amount, for starters you only need 30% equity to call(ps its really [censored] tough not to have that)

not even sure why I click these threads still, degen I guess

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

This IS a fist pump.

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

i call and im so excited about it ( i wet my pants )

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

Never fold this.

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

Prepare yourself for a gourmet dinner while fist pumping.

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

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i call and im so excited about it ( i wet my pants )

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times that tough dilith? I mean is is only $25.

lol at folding sets in 3bet pots.

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

Snapcall

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

Easy call on flop

I would fold preflop. EP open raise, MP 3bet you are going to have to fold if EP 4bets.

Is this not a fold, unless we know EP never 4bets?

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

My question is: Should you be calling three-bets with 22?

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

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My question is: Should you be calling three-bets with 22?

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Same idea here.
Hero is a big dog to make his set, plus in a multiway pot he´s going to win only ~80% of the time when he makes his set.

Someone on 2+2 said that this means that Hero needs to win 11.4 times his investment everytime he actualy wins a showdown with a set. I don´t know the thread anymore.

Long story short, Hero needs to win an average of ~$17 <u>just to break even</u>, assuming the original raiser doesn´t come over the top, which would make it worse.

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

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Only read the title; no.

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Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

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Only read the title; no.

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Not even here?

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $51.40
UTG+1: $21.85
MP1: $10
MP2: $15.65
MP3: $16.90
CO: $24.40
Button: $25.95
SB: $30.45
BB: $49.35

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero calls, UTG+1, folds, MP1 (poster) checks, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB folds, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $1.25</font>, Hero calls, 2 folds, Button calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4.35, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $2.25</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $7.5</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises all-in $48.1</font>

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

Responding to Jeff, that's why we have PT/PA. Against a reg, that's a tough decision. Against the usual, it's a call.

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

PT said "fold."

I think it's a spot where you could fold bottom set at 25NL.

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

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PT said "fold."

I think it's a spot where you could fold bottom set at 25NL.

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I agree, but not very often.

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

Standard rule should just be never fold set-over-set for 100 bb's.

I think you'd have to have massive notes on this guy that he set mines constantly and ONLY plays this way with a set. And even then it would be hard to fold.

I have got all in with bottom set expecting to see another set so many times vs players who are supposed to be tight and i see garbage 2 pair, TPTK etc. I know you're thinking "why would he get his stack in there without a set" but for all you know he's fist pumping because he has 9T.

Re: Can I fold bottom set, NL25?
 

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Standard rule should just be never fold set-over-set for 100 bb's.

[/ QUOTE ]Which was why I posted a hand with 200BBs. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]