Not the best flop for KK in 4bet bet
 

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $389.05
Hero (BB): $600.00
UTG: $847.05
MP: $111.00
CO: $2,403.20
BTN: $600.00

Reads: <font color="blue">Fairly early in the session and nothing notable has happenned yet. Villain is 25/18 over small sample, but seems competent. UTG is a maniac if that matters. What's your plan?</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $12.00</font>, MP folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $45.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $150.00</font>, UTG folds, CO calls $105.00

Flop: ($315) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)

Re: Not the best flop for KK in 4bet bet
 

I would just shove....maybe he'll put you on AK and call with something silly.

Re: Not the best flop for KK in 4bet bet
 

Since c/f is just too weak, I think "betting for information" is probably correct here as it is the cheapest way to profitably play this hand (I think that makes sense?). As played I b/f $175 and give up if he puts any more money in the pot. If he calls, he's probably checking the rest of this hand down.

Re: Not the best flop for KK in 4bet bet
 

I can't see how shoving is +EV either.

Meh, actually it's not too too terrible. Very very marginal though.

Re: Not the best flop for KK in 4bet bet
 

What do you guys think about betting small to a)induce a bluff shove or b)rep AK so TT calls us? I think c/f is an option too. Shoving sucks because no worse hands call.

Re: Not the best flop for KK in 4bet bet
 

Ok so the flop is bad.....but you have KK in a 4 bet pot and with $300 in the middle already I don't think I can fold this.

Re: Not the best flop for KK in 4bet bet
 

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I can't see how shoving is +EV either.

Meh, actually it's not too too terrible. Very very marginal though.

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Any line you take here is going to be marginal imo.

Re: Not the best flop for KK in 4bet bet
 

not folding this

Re: Not the best flop for KK in 4bet bet
 

You're beat like 80% here if the co is competant, wow that couldn't be a worse flop. Sick hand, I almost want to say c/f but that's so weak, dunno.

Re: Not the best flop for KK in 4bet bet
 

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Any line you take here is going to be marginal imo.

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Yeah, that looks like it's probably the case. How bout a poll?