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Acein8ter 11-24-2007 02:26 AM

Call w/77 in BB, 6 player table
 
The chip leader raises just over 3xbb and everyone folds to me in the BB w/77. What's your plan? Call/Push/fold?

With the blinds and ante being at 22.5k, my M is 6.

There is 13 left in the tourney that started w/1500+

Full Tilt Poker, NL Hold'em Tournament, 6,000/12,000 Blinds, 1,500 Ante, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: 110,756
SB: 75,928
Hero (BB): 133,665
UTG: 290,976
MP: 204,826
CO: 340,730

Pre-Flop: (27,000) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to 48,000</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero?

StepBangin 11-24-2007 02:30 AM

Re: Call w/77 in BB, 6 player table
 
Shove if you wanna flip. Fold if you dont. He isnt folding much here.

Also, thats not "Just over 3xbb" its a 4bb raise. Also, blinds and antes are at 27,000 leaving you with about and M of 5.

gtpitch 11-24-2007 02:34 AM

Re: Call w/77 in BB, 6 player table
 
Push&gt;Fold&gt;Call. Actually just leave call of there... don't call. Either push or fold.

Like SB said if you want to flip push if not fold. Since you are &lt;10bb I probably shove.

StepBangin 11-24-2007 02:36 AM

Re: Call w/77 in BB, 6 player table
 
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Push&gt;Fold&gt;Call. Actually just leave call of there... don't call. Either push or fold.

Like SB said if you want to flip call if not fold. Since you are &lt;10bb I probably call.


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133,665/12,000 = 11.13875 imo, and I never said call.

gtpitch 11-24-2007 02:39 AM

Re: Call w/77 in BB, 6 player table
 
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Push&gt;Fold&gt;Call. Actually just leave call of there... don't call. Either push or fold.

Like SB said if you want to flip call if not fold. Since you are &lt;10bb I probably call.


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133,665/12,000 = 11.13875 imo, and I never said call.

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Since he is in the BB I'm taking 12k out so... 10.13875. Good enough IMO

bata2 11-24-2007 06:06 AM

Re: Call w/77 in BB, 6 player table
 
Usually at this point in the tourney you should be able to assess range/vpip/af for most of the players. Readless, you have no FE, so a push is a gamble.
Your M is low, but there are lower. With that said, and the payout being steep, the question is, can you win this tourney without taking this gamble?

levAA 11-24-2007 08:19 AM

Re: Call w/77 in BB, 6 player table
 
Calling with the intention to play a stop'n'go is fine here imo.

Pushing is fine too - you should still have some FE and are ahead of CO's range.

Folding is too weak with 77 and your low M.

Pokerfarian 11-24-2007 09:40 AM

Re: Call w/77 in BB, 6 player table
 
[x]Shove &gt;&gt; fold because 77 is probably ahead of his {Chip leader &amp; CO} range &amp; there's lots of overlay.
[x]Shove &gt;&gt; Call/evaluate because that's always a horrid line with these stack sizes.
[x]Shove &gt;&gt; SNG because he never folds a hand which was best on the flop so you want the $ in now.
[x]Shove

Acein8ter 11-24-2007 11:37 AM

Re: Call w/77 in BB, 6 player table
 
Woops, I added up the BB,SB &amp; Ante based on PT. PT shows the SB w/half of the BB AND the Ante. I added another Ante on top of that so each round is 19.5k. The raise was 4x the BB as Step stated...

So my M is ~6.8 or so. (Based just on the BB,SB &amp; Ante) Out of the 13 players left, I'm around 6th in chips. Even though my M is low, about 1/2 of the remaining field is lower than mine.

It's pretty much a coinflip if he has 2 overs, anything above 89 but I'm sure he has ATs+ if he is going to raise 4xbb.

If he has 88+, I'm pretty much an 80% dog. A situation that we pretty much want to avoid.

Hard to lay down 77 with 6 players. Calling would be for 36% of my chips and I'm only going to hit a set 12% of the time.


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