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Hoi Polloi 09-16-2006 09:15 AM

20/40: TT -- Is this a fold on the river?
 
20/40 5-handed.

BTN has played half of his 24 hands and taken half of those to SD.

Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 fold, BTN calls, 2 folds.

Flop (2 players; 5.5SB): 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Bet/call.

Turn (2 players; 4.75BB): J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Bet/call.

River (2 players; 6.75BB): A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Check/bet/???.

spiff21 09-16-2006 04:45 PM

Re: 20/40: TT -- Is this a fold on the river?
 
I call, for future reference and A is a good bluff card for him. If he plays vpip 50, he sure can have something stupid like K8s, or decide to "valuebet" a split pair of 9s with his K9. I would call to see what kind of donk he is.

wackjob 09-16-2006 10:21 PM

Re: 20/40: TT -- Is this a fold on the river?
 
I don't know about this. I think I'd rather b/f here. Checking allows villain off the hook when he has crap and would check behind but would have also called another bet on the river, and the inverse can be true too, but only if villain is willing to raise the river with a better hand.

I'd b/f against an unk.

TomBrooks 09-17-2006 12:56 AM

Re: 20/40: TT -- Is this a fold on the river?
 
Tom Sez:

You can check. He probably won't bet without an Ace anyway because he figures you'll call anyway or you might be trying to trap him.

Scary_Tiger 09-17-2006 01:25 AM

Re: 20/40: TT -- Is this a fold on the river?
 
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Tom Sez:

You can check. He probably won't bet without an Ace anyway because he figures you'll call anyway or you might be trying to trap him.

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qft

Edit: I would fold btw.

Hoi Polloi 09-17-2006 02:59 PM

Re: 20/40: TT -- Is this a fold on the river?
 
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I call, for future reference and A is a good bluff card for him. If he plays vpip 50, he sure can have something stupid like K8s, or decide to "valuebet" a split pair of 9s with his K9. I would call to see what kind of donk he is.

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A is a good bluff card. Some of these 50% types will bluff an A, others seem very frightened by them unless they're holding one. That suggests calling for information may tip the scale though I hate that rationale and especially with a guy who is showing down 1/4 of his hands. He's providing plenty of free information so I don't want to pay for it.

Hoi Polloi 09-17-2006 03:01 PM

Re: 20/40: TT -- Is this a fold on the river?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Tom Sez:

You can check. He probably won't bet without an Ace anyway because he figures you'll call anyway or you might be trying to trap him.

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That's typically what I find with this type of player. You advocate folding to his bet here then?

TomBrooks 09-17-2006 03:16 PM

Re: 20/40: TT -- Is this a fold on the river?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Tom Sez:
You can check. He probably won't bet without an Ace anyway because he figures you'll call anyway or you might be trying to trap him.

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That's typically what I find with this type of player. You advocate folding to his bet here then?

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I think so. You got three Bdwy overcards on the board now.

If you intended to call though, you'd be much better off betting IMO. At least you have a little chance of folding a Queen that way, and good chances of folding a Jack like JT that was on an OESD or KJ that had a gutshot and overcard and/or a BDFD or FD.


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