HU blind battle PF question
 

This came up in another thread and I think it's interesting enough to have its own thread. Plus some good posters disagreed with me so I want to see if this is consensus.

Say you are in the BB and its folded around to the SB who opens (assume for now 6max game so BB=button, but I'm thinking this is probably going to reduce down to a basic HU pf question that specialists and computer/math geeks already have a good handle on).

Assuming for now that SB opens with 60% of his hands, with what range do you 3-bet?

Re: HU blind battle PF question
 

stoxtrader gives a range of 22+ A7o+ K8o+ Q9o+ J9o+ A3s+ K9s+ Q8s+ J9s+

I tend to shy away from 3 betting the non showdown value hands like Q8s and J9o and Q9o and 3 bet A6 and A5 more often.

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i think you'd have to make further assumptions about what sb is likely to do on a whiffed board when threebet in order to make a logical decision.

maths of poker has me thinking that the correct strategy would be either 100% of non folded hands or 0% depending on the opponent.

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I think this is a good question, but probably one that cannot be answered for it is dependent on many variables. Also, I can find value in just calling with AA and calling flop, calling turn, and calling/raising river (depending on board/opponent).

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another consideration is the presence of a hu cap. if there's no cap then we probably have to define a more static range because of the risk of being 5 bet.

with no cap I think you'd want a mix of hands that have enough value to put that kind of action in, but are still weak enough that you want the postflop fold equity in tact as well.

This pretty much rules out QQ-AA and probably JJ as well - leaving 77-TT or JJ, AQo+, and KQ. Just a guess there.

again though, with a betting cap in place you'll probably just want to go 100% one way or the other depending on your read of the villain.

Re: HU blind battle PF question
 

Guruman,
these are interesting thoughts. Since most of my blind battle hands are online and when I play live people tend to not go more than 4 bets pf anyway, let's assume a 4-bet cap.

So are you really reccomending 3-betting 96o? It seems crazy but I'm having trouble figuring out the flaw in your argument.

Re: HU blind battle PF question
 

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I tend to shy away from 3 betting the non showdown value hands like Q8s and J9o and Q9o and 3 bet A6 and A5 more often.

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no. not going to elaborate now

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maths of poker has me thinking that the correct strategy would be either 100% of non folded hands or 0% depending on the opponent.

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wtf. u 3bet when ur ahead and call when ur behind but cant fold. then u mess around at the margins some

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Also, I can find value in just calling with AA and calling flop, calling turn, and calling/raising river (depending on board/opponent).

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wtf. at least make an effort to get value for ur hands.

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I tend to shy away from 3 betting the non showdown value hands like Q8s and J9o and Q9o and 3 bet A6 and A5 more often.

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no. not going to elaborate now

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so I should be 3 betting J9o [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I tend to shy away from 3 betting the non showdown value hands like Q8s and J9o and Q9o and 3 bet A6 and A5 more often.

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no. not going to elaborate now

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so I should be 3 betting J9o [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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If you have position you should be 3-betting a ton. Fold equity is huge HU in position against an opponent with a weak range.

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id rather 3-bet J9o than A9o