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katyseagull 09-08-2007 05:40 PM

Re: Should Vice Principal Lose Her Job? - (*Warning-Gruesome topic\")
 
Blackize -

I don't know if you watched the video clip I posted, but the prosecutor mentions that the couple times she left her baby previously were for very short periods when she was dropping her older child at preschool and just ran inside the doors and then came back out. However, turns out that one time was longer, when she went into the preschool to watch storytime or a play or something, and left the baby in the car. In any case, other parents actually did complain and the owner of the preschool had to talk to her about it.

I'd be interested in hearing from parents who have had to drop kids off at daycare or preschool. Would it be unheard of to leave a younger child sleeping in a car while you walked the older child into the building? Is this totally frowned on?

Mrs. Utah 09-08-2007 06:29 PM

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I'd be interested in hearing from parents who have had to drop kids off at daycare or preschool. Would it be unheard of to leave a younger child sleeping in a car while you walked the older child into the building? Is this totally frowned on?

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I do not think its common for a parent to leave a younger sleeping child in a car while an older child is escorted into school. I have seen it though, not often thankfully and actually sat in my car watching this child until the parent came back. It blows me away that she will not face charges of some kind.
Yes, its tempting if the child is asleep and you are going to be away for a few minutes but no, I could not imagine leaving a child let alone forgetting one.

I found this web site which is pretty interesting.
http://www.ggweather.com/heat/

Only 11 states have laws prohibiting leaving a child unattended in a vehicle.
Currently 15 states have proposed legislation making it a crime to leave a child unattended in a car, van, truck or SUV.
In one state it is only a crime if the child is injured or dies
The remaining 24 states do not have laws against leaving a child unattended in a vehicle

DMC0627 09-08-2007 06:36 PM

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Leaving a child in a car is unacceptable to me. I had a friend run into a grocery store about 2 weeks ago, and I was waiting outside for her. We parked next to a car that was already there. My friend came out, and at the same time, the woman who was parked next to us who started unloading a full grocery cart. As she was pulling away, I saw a toddler stand up on the back seat, and knew there was no toddler with her, so I realized she left this child in there the whole time. I said to my friend who was driving, get behind her, I want to get her license plate and report it. I am not one to report people, but with kids and animals I get involved. She refused and said we should mind our own business. Personally, I would have reported that woman in a minute, and filled out a report if necessary. How can people not know its not okay to do this?

CharlieDontSurf 09-08-2007 06:52 PM

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apparantly now a days being an excellent parent = being such a dumb self absorbed [censored] that you leave yr kid in the car all day till it dies.

katyseagull 09-08-2007 06:56 PM

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Those statistics are interesting. I thought it was a crime to leave a child in a car. I was shocked to hear that it wasn't.

This is from the article that Mrs. Utah linked,

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Associated Press (AP) study "Wide disparity exists in sentences for leaving kids to die in hot cars" examined the frequency of prosecutions in hyperthermia deaths

* Charges were filed in 49% of all the deaths. 81% resulted in convictions.
* In cases with paid caregivers (i.e., childcare workers, babysitters) 84% were charged and 96% convicted

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Looks like we hold the paid caregivers more responsible than we do the parents.


Mrs. Utah, Do you think that Brenda Slaby should lose her job? Would you want her as an assistant principal at your children's school?

katyseagull 09-08-2007 07:04 PM

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apparantly now a days being an excellent parent = being such a dumb self absorbed [censored] that you leave yr kid in the car all day till it dies.

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It does sort of seem that way. It's like she was so absorbed with her job and leading her meetings on that day that she forgot about the most important thing in the world.

I think I read that many of these cases involve mid-to-upper class professionals. Apparently their mind is on their job obligations and not the pumpkin in the rear seat [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

ghcnoob 09-08-2007 09:11 PM

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I work in a small school district (in a middle school actually) and my wife is in administration in the same district. Some notes from the thread:

According to my wife, without a morals clause or a "detailed work" clause (this job requires that you do detailed work well) she may not be terminated for cause. But, most administrative employees are year to year and not tenured and do not have to be renewed, and an elected school board signs off on most administrative renewals. It's not hard to picture voting against someone who read the letter of the law here when the spirit was clearly the superior choice.

2) Children are routinely in the care of Vice Principal's (VP). VP's cover classes, discipline kids 1 on 1, etc. They might chaperone a field trip, or a sporting meet, or be responsible for counting everyone on the bus coming home from a game. Forgetting a kid like that would be a serious infraction.

3) The prosecutor is totally off the mark. This is clearly a crime. The child could have been a bit older, gotten out of the car, ran across the road, and gotten his guts splattered by an 18 wheeler--now is it a crime? I could get more gruesome, but you get the point. Her behavior wasn't a mistake, it was criminal negligence.

The X-Factor 09-08-2007 09:45 PM

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If she's been warned several times she should not only lose her job but be prosecuted too.

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Agree completely

runningmarvel 09-08-2007 09:53 PM

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first answer was best so far.

punkass 09-08-2007 10:12 PM

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i think regardless of whether she's been warned, she should be charged and convicted.

wtf, forgetting your kid in the car? I'm not a parent, and I think that's ridiculous.


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