Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 

in general I'm pretty sure his perception of me is I bluff/squeeze a lot. the last important pot we played together was this one:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($3539)
SB ($4009)
BB ($2000)
UTG ($2324.50)
Hero ($2580)
CO ($965.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $70</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $120</font>, Button calls $120, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $50.

Flop: ($390) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $100</font>, Button calls $100, Hero calls $100.

Turn: ($690) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

River: ($690) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $360</font>, CO folds, Button calls $360.

Final Pot: $1410

he called down with 77


I thought my small river overbet here was slightly better than check/folding or check/calling



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($2176)
SB ($5287.50)
BB ($2744)
UTG ($1188)
Hero ($2967)
CO ($2026.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $70</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $70, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $50.

Flop: ($220) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $160</font>, Button calls $160, BB folds.

Turn: ($540) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($540) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $620</font>,

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 

i hate your river bet size, if anything you might make him fold a better hand since this would be such a terrible line to bluff with, unless he knows you're on that level, and there's more meta going on than anyone can fathom

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 

Your vbetting such a thin range here I don't like it. Whether or not most of his range resides in hands worse than TT is hard to tell.

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 

you should swap the river bet sizing for the two hands

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 

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you should swap the river bet sizing for the two hands

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note: i am pretty bad at poker

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you should swap the river bet sizing for the two hands

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Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 

ok so before/after flaming heres my reasoning- Samo is calling in position with a ton of hands including all pairs, big unpaired cards, various SCs and Axs.

After he checks turn I feel like his range is pretty balanced on the river, and my hand is slightly underrepped. the problem i see with any other line is that hes good enough to V-bet/bluff pretty optimally here, so I don't think I can call a bet greater than or = to 2/3 pot (ish).

Again, I could make a smaller vbet of like 280-380 or so, but I still feel like this leads to the same problem where he bluffraises/value raises/ folds/calls enough hands so I can't play even close to optimally.

So I make a small overbet which he hasnt seen before and so is unlikely to bluff over, and I think the majority of his range is made of bluffcatchers/ smaller A combos- and I think he calls this bet enough of the time to show slight +ev...

I tend to overthink [censored] tho.

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 

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ok so before/after flaming heres my reasoning- Samo is calling in position with a ton of hands including all pairs, big unpaired cards, various SCs and Axs.

After he checks turn I feel like his range is pretty balanced on the river, and my hand is slightly underrepped. the problem i see with any other line is that hes good enough to V-bet/bluff pretty optimally here, so I don't think I can call a bet greater than or = to 2/3 pot (ish).

Again, I could make a smaller vbet of like 280-380 or so, but I still feel like this leads to the same problem where he bluffraises/value raises/ folds/calls enough hands so I can't play even close to optimally.

So I make a small overbet which he hasnt seen before and so is unlikely to bluff over, and I think the majority of his range is made of bluffcatchers/ smaller A combos- and I think he calls this bet enough of the time to show slight +ev...

I tend to overthink [censored] tho.

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I didn't explicitly say this, but I believe an overbet will widen his calling range (and not just put raising hands into the call category- but get hands hed fold to call) as opposed to any other betsize.

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 

Betting 270$ on the river is so much better than betting 620$. Unless your opponent is a retard, which he isnt.

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 

I like your bet.