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mattiesmat 11-28-2007 03:48 PM

$16 - JJ vs LAGG
 
No exact stats at the moment, but he was LAGG.
Reraise or push preflop?
How is postflop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) by Hand Converter CG

SB (t2230)
BB (t1770)
UTG (t1625)
Hero (t1385)
MP1 (t1605)
MP2 (t1370)
MP3 (t900)
CO (t1380)
Button (t1235)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t250</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t100.

Flop: (t575) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t985 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t985.

Turn: (t2545) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t2545) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t2545

Charlyfalco 11-28-2007 04:02 PM

Re: $16 - JJ vs LAGG
 
With a re raise that small it always feel like they have a higher PP.

dj32 11-28-2007 04:03 PM

Re: $16 - JJ vs LAGG
 
I like preflop, but I push the flop myself.

stevi3p 11-28-2007 04:14 PM

Re: $16 - JJ vs LAGG
 
i play it the same way as OP. I'm not keen on pushing the flop since he's not folding any hands that beat us, and if he's got 99, TT we're getting it AI the flop anyway. Checking induces shoves / small bets from random hands like AQ. I doubt he's checking behind after 3-betting preflop.

vers 11-28-2007 04:15 PM

Re: $16 - JJ vs LAGG
 
I'm shoving pf against lags. I really don't like have to c/f with flops that are not J hi or less. If our read is his min raise pre is an overpair, we shouldn't be getting it all in on the flop (and I think it's too much for set value)... I think this read is poor anyways, lags do stupid [censored] all the time, enough to justify shoving pf.

sence25 11-28-2007 04:23 PM

Re: $16 - JJ vs LAGG
 
I certainly push this pf against a LAG with those stacksizes.

MyGeneration 11-28-2007 04:23 PM

Re: $16 - JJ vs LAGG
 
I play it the same but open push the flop. I dont mind getting it all in preflop against a LAGG here.

mattiesmat 11-28-2007 04:34 PM

Re: $16 - JJ vs LAGG
 
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I play it the same but open push the flop. I dont mind getting it all in preflop against a LAGG here.

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If you open shove the flop he will fold a lot.
Giving him a chance to bet/bluff gets more value I think.

dj32 11-28-2007 05:03 PM

Re: $16 - JJ vs LAGG
 
For me, it's precisely because lags do stupid stuff all the time that I don't shove preflop. It's too early to race against AQ, KQ, etc. I'd rather see a J high or less flop first and then push. If villain has QQ+, so be it - I'm stacking off then.

sence25 11-28-2007 05:04 PM

Re: $16 - JJ vs LAGG
 
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For me, it's precisely because lags do stupid stuff all the time that I don't shove the flop. It's too early to race against AQ, KQ, etc. I'd rather see a J high or less flop first and then push. If villain has QQ+, so be it - I'm stacking off then.

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