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AZplaya 09-27-2007 04:32 PM

This is my standard, but is it spew? AK pre flop, NL $50 6m
 
Villian is 19/15, fairly straight forward tag. We have about 400 hands together, she should have me at about 21/17.

Hero - $49
Villian - covers

FTP NL $50 (6 players)

Preflop:
Hero is dealt A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75, Button raises to $6</font>, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $21, Button raises all in to $54.75</font>, Hero calls

her 3 bet range pre should be 1010+, AJ+, after I 4 bet and she shoves, I'd say QQ+, AK+. I used to just call instead of 4 betting pre, but playing AK OOP in a 3 bet pot when I'm not the aggresor is gross. This hand may be uber standard but I've been running bad and am questioning some of the moves I make.

Eric Yang 09-27-2007 04:41 PM

Re: This is my standard, but is it spew? AK pre flop, NL $50 6m
 
ummm is this standard? in tournaments i'd go broke all day long with AKo but in a cash game? i'd say 3bet to 18 fold to the push, because many people don't even shove with QQ - phil gordon says the fourth bet is always aces. In my experience it's almost always aces or kings, which means you're almost always dominated with AK. a tiny percentage of the time it might be QQ, but you're still an underdog there. Not a good call in my opinion.

traz 09-27-2007 04:41 PM

Re: This is my standard, but is it spew? AK pre flop, NL $50 6m
 
standard

DonManuel 09-27-2007 04:43 PM

Re: This is my standard, but is it spew? AK pre flop, NL $50 6m
 
I think it's profitable, especially because you are going to be OOP for the rest of the hand. I don't have Pokerstove here but you had to call $28 (effective) to win $70, which is 2.5-1 and, for example, you are 2.3-1 if he holds KK

Micro Donk 09-27-2007 04:43 PM

Re: This is my standard, but is it spew? AK pre flop, NL $50 6m
 
i dont mind 4betting a standard tag here if hes seen you raise a lot in LP, since he doesnt have to have a hand...once you 4bet you must call his shove, so pretty standard against many opponents...passives i wont 4-bet

icanseeyourcards 09-27-2007 04:51 PM

Re: This is my standard, but is it spew? AK pre flop, NL $50 6m
 
i hate those spots especially

[ QUOTE ]
Hero raises to $1.75, Button raises to $6

[/ QUOTE ]

against a tag like villian i really dont know what to do (+ beeing oop) most of the time but i think your reraise is good (maybe 18$ are enough)


[ QUOTE ]
Button raises all in to $54.75, Hero calls

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this is the point when thinks are getting ugly ... i dont see myself calling vs such a tag and you can narrow his range almost to AA/KK ...


But since you' have 22$ left so you should just call (i dont think we can fold here?! ... what about not 4-betting preflop?! .. damn im just confused by AKo here)

Micro Donk 09-27-2007 04:52 PM

Re: This is my standard, but is it spew? AK pre flop, NL $50 6m
 
we cant fold once we 4bet, since i dont see him folding QQ or even AK there

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.824% 18.14% 20.68% 78295380 89232168.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 61.176% 40.50% 20.68% 174740892 89232168.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

Lego05 09-27-2007 04:55 PM

Re: This is my standard, but is it spew? AK pre flop, NL $50 6m
 
Looks standard to me.

Logun 09-27-2007 04:57 PM

Re: This is my standard, but is it spew? AK pre flop, NL $50 6m
 
It's standard but I hate it.

Does anyone prefer cc the 3 bet and playing post flop oop (hit or fold?)

AFCBeer 09-27-2007 05:02 PM

Re: This is my standard, but is it spew? AK pre flop, NL $50 6m
 
I'm happy to call the 3-bet and play a flop. I don't see how its that difficult to play against a TAG. If you miss you fold since you are nearly always behind if they c-bet. And if you hit, its a question of choosing the best line to get stacks in.


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