i hate these spots, fold the AA?!?!
 

10/20 NL
Villain is LAGish good player, he is more of a 'feel' and unpredictable player
Hero has been playing very LAG.
Effective stacks: 4.5K

Hero has AA in BB
1 limp, villian makes it 120 in MP, CO calls, SB calls, hero makes it 500, villain calls, the rest folds

Flop:
Q J 7
Hero bets 1000, villain raises to 2800, Hero...

Re: i hate these spots, fold the AA?!?!
 

If you played very lag and he recognizes it, i would shove, because he has himself pretty much committed with AQ/AJ/KK and you don?t wanna see any scarecards

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Whether or not there is a flush draw on the flop is kind of important.

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no flush draw on the flop

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nope, shove

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stick it in

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i would bet less on this flop usually, but yeah get it in.

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The only difference there might have been in how to play this is to open-shove the flop.... either way, these conditions warrant getting it all in. If you're beaten, it sucks, but fire away.


TK

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There is 400 in the pot PF so I might just raise bigger like 600-700. As played bet the flop smaller to induce more raises and no matter what I think you have to stick it in here with your image. Not much you can do there with these stacksizes. Against a ultranit you could argue for a fold.
Potsize is 5060 and you only have 3k behind I am too bored to do the math right now but there is a small chance this is a bluff plus hands like AQ/KK and even against QJ you have outs. Get it in and hope for the best

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The only difference there might have been in how to play this is to open-shove the flop ....
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Really?? $4k+ into a $1k pot? Sweet move.

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I really feel a fold here.

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i think you really, really have to reraise more here preflop. especially since it looks like a good spot to squeeze.

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I think you are toast here fairly often considering that villain called your reraise preflop with two other callers still to act.

If he had AA or KK he most likely 4-bets to make sure it is heads up. I'd say this is QQ or JJ at least 50% of the time, but you still have enough equity to call/shove.

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I tend to agree that you are more often toast, rather than golden in this spot...but you're more or less self-stuck.

As played, you can only hope that either your very LAG image is saving you or that the Poker Gods are going to bestow a 2-out miracle upon you...stick it in.

The pre-flop re-raise needs to be much larger (at minimum to $700 or more) given your poor position.

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I think you are toast here fairly often considering that villain called your reraise preflop with two other callers still to act.

If he had AA or KK he most likely 4-bets to make sure it is heads up. I'd say this is QQ or JJ at least 50% of the time, but you still have enough equity to call/shove.

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stick it in

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Re: i hate these spots, fold the AA?!?!
 

how do u not get it in
look at your opp
decide his style his view on your gamne play so far
then stick it in

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I think you are toast here fairly often considering that villain called your reraise preflop with two other callers still to act.

If he had AA or KK he most likely 4-bets to make sure it is heads up. I'd say this is QQ or JJ at least 50% of the time, but you still have enough equity to call/shove.

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I think this is clearly wrong. If anything he is in better shape to call with a weaker hand, or a good multi-way hand, because it seems pretty unlikely that these players behind him are going to 4-bet given the action so far, and if he calls, it is quite possible they will come along. Especially if this hand is live, OP didn't specify.

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Especially if this hand is live, OP didn't specify.

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I believe from previous posts this was a Commerce hand. He also said villain was a "feel" player, so I have to believe it's at least live.

The comment earlier about villain implied strength calling OP's re-raise with 2 people left to act, don't generally apply, because it's a rare live bird who is just calling a pre-flop raise, and then re-raising again with a premium.

The pre-flop re-raise was insufficient as others mentioned. Probably $600 to $650 feels right to me.

From the description the villain is a good lag player. If this is true, hero is dead like...every time. Because OP's past posts (and self-admitted LAG style) indicate his loose image and good villain is aware of said image, that only increases the chance villain re-raises with KK, but probably not calling with AQ. So what does that leave us? QQ, JJ or else the improbable case AA. With a 6:1 proposition to chop I fold. If we count 77 in the mix, it's even worse at 9:1.

Someone might argue KK just called the pre-flop re-raise. Ok, suppose villain plays it tricky: In the improbable case villain has KK, then a good LAG has to be scared to death of that flop.

Garland

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re-raise more pre-flop

Versus a tough, aggro opponent that's capable coming over the top of you like that with you not knowing what to do I would probably start by checking the flop. Since you said he's good I don't think you ever see AQ here, he'd probably just call and re-evaluate. As played, really tough spot... stick it in, I guess.

Kirk

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Pre-flop, make it 700 to go at least.

On flop, easy all-in. Espically from a loose aggressive player here. What flop were you hoping for? Consider this: he has likely to play KK like this (thinking its prolly good), as well as QQ/JJ/77. So when you consider pot odds, and discounting QJ you should defintely call right there. And then you have to figure all the AK/AQ/random moves he's making on you. He is a LAG after all.

Re: i hate these spots, fold the AA?!?!
 

Man, u made a luring 3bet, so meet your destiny.

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stick it in there...

villian could of raised you thinking you cbet... whats your history with cbets?

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stick it in there...

villian could of raised you thinking you cbet... whats your history with cbets?

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If you played very lag and he recognizes it, i would shove, because he has himself pretty much committed with AQ/AJ/KK and you don?t wanna see any scarecards

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decide your fate then rebuy after he flipps 77

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when at a loss, i ask myself what PA and Phil Ivey would do. So I disregard my own thoughts and I get it in.

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Feels like a shove.

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so I have to believe it's at least live.


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I'm curious what this means. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]