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rivermetimbers 11-21-2007 06:17 PM

3.40 10man turbo, bubble play
 
I assume this is correct play, somebody help me out, im new to turbos.
Poker Stars, $3 + $0.40 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 4 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): 3,565
BB: 6,300
UTG: 3,815
BTN: 1,320

Pre-Flop: (400) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to 3,540 and is All-In</font>, BB calls 3,340

Flop: (7,180) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (7,180) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (7,180) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 7,180 Pot
Hero showed 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Nines and Fives) and LOST (-3,565 NET)
BB showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Fives) and WON 7,180 (+3,615 NET)

vers 11-21-2007 06:32 PM

Re: 3.40 10man turbo, bubble play
 
this is best. Just raising leaves you open to get re-raised and make you fold your hand. Just crappy result that you ran into a hand.

RexWoo 11-22-2007 05:39 AM

Re: 3.40 10man turbo, bubble play
 
The push is +EV, me think but this deep I prefer an open raise but I don't think I could fold when he reraise so I guess it does not matter a lot here.

DevinLake 11-22-2007 05:47 AM

Re: 3.40 10man turbo, bubble play
 
Just a cooler bvb. You raise, he'll call like every time with that stack so a standard raise kinda sucks. Shoving is fine.

in the future, don't include results in your post.

checkmate36 11-22-2007 09:48 AM

Re: 3.40 10man turbo, bubble play
 
Wouldn't a raise be best if BB were a tight player?

I didn't see any read posted and its a $3.40 so prob best to just assume BB is loose.

Niggel 11-22-2007 10:22 AM

Re: 3.40 10man turbo, bubble play
 
The push is certainly unexploitbale, but on higher limits/vs. tigher opponents I like a raise. If a tight player then repushes I can find a fold here but on the low-limits I think shoving is fine here.

drzen 11-22-2007 08:38 PM

Re: 3.40 10man turbo, bubble play
 
[ QUOTE ]
Wouldn't a raise be best if BB were a tight player?

I didn't see any read posted and its a $3.40 so prob best to just assume BB is loose.

[/ QUOTE ]

Say he's fairly tight. You raise, he calls.

Flop comes KQ high. He checks.

Are you ahead? Are you still going to push? See the dilemma? You get more money in with the go and go but you quite often hit flops that make you go OMG.

You are thinking the upside is that you don't go bust against the hands you don't want to be called by; I am thinking the downside is that you don't fold out some of his range that a push would make fold, and those hands can now draw out on you on the flop. Of course, there's extra upside from getting calls from KQ/KJ, which would fold, and flopping it T high. I'm not smart enough to figure out which is better, but I do know that I hate flopping overcards sufficiently that I just push.

Edit: This is considering only whether he calls. A thinking villain is going to push over you a ton here. I note that Niggel wants to fold to the push. In this spot though, most of what villain pushes over is behind you, and you are just handing him chips.


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