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RockyElsom 11-29-2007 01:14 AM

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Maybe, but Citigroup is run by a bunch of morons. Just compare the costs of their recent debt and equity financing to see what I'm talking about.

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Nice how you call the morons after the fact. Thanks for playing!

pig4bill 11-29-2007 01:54 AM

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Too good to be true? The company takes out what amounts to a subprime mortgage, and pays 11% interest. That sure sounds like desparation. Too good to be true, lol.

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It's actually a great deal for Citi, all things considered. Thinking of this as paying 11% in interest is entirely misleading, given that the mandatory conversion provision.

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Yeah, so that after the conversion, it's highly dilutive. Nice.

pig4bill 11-29-2007 01:57 AM

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Too good to be true? The company takes out what amounts to a subprime mortgage, and pays 11% interest. That sure sounds like desparation. Too good to be true, lol.

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You are trying to make a complex transaction seem too simplistic.

Jimbo

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Maybe, but Citigroup is run by a bunch of morons. Just compare the costs of their recent debt and equity financing to see what I'm talking about.

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I think when you call the citi mgmt team a bunch of morons, the onus of proof falls on your shoulders, not anyone else. The mgmt team, I daresay, has a pretty good pedigree. there may be slightly more than meets the eye to this transaction.

In any event, I would welcome a post by you with thoughtful reasons to backup your statements.

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Morons, maybe not. Excessively greedy and imprudent, certainly. Inadequate, or no DD on a lot of garbage paper. And then trying to hide it by putting off the writedowns as long as possible.


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