NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

Villain is 18/12
6.7 overall agression (5 turn aggr)
27wtsd

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em (NL$400) <font color="#0000FF">(5 handed)</font> link

BB ($519.10)
Hero ($494.90)
Button ($349.00)
SB ($482.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14.00</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $52.00</font>, Hero calls $42.00.

Flop: ($114.00) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $88.00</font>, Hero calls $88.00.

Turn: ($290.00) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $125.00</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $415.00.

Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

I'm starting to wonder if I'm supposed to fold these on the flop, but I probably play it the same way you did, unless this guy's 3-bet OOP range is really tight.

Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

I call the turn too, but I'm a station.

Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

Good question, I have noticed this leak in my own play, calling down overpair all the way with 100bb if the pot is three bet preflop. I think a fold on the turn is better against a TAG or weak tight player who has a won at showdown of +55%. In todays more aggressive play it has become tougher to get away from TPTK and overpairs, as you are often in for about 14 blinds pre flop.

Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

u can fold preflop.

Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

How can you fold preflop? Looks like a good spot to play for set value. This tightwad will never drop a big pair, which he has here every time... definitely fold the flop, though.

Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

i agree with twp, the fact that his hand range is heavily skewed towards big pairs actually works in our favour.

Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

he will never drop a big pair? he will not drop QQ on a KJx board or KK on a AJx? how about a Jxxx fourflush or fourstraight? how about AA on AJx? how about AK on Jxx?

Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

Pretty standard calldown, assuming this guys stats are over a lot of hands. I think a fold PF might be good though.

Re: NL400 JJ overpair vs TAG/Rock
 

I (almost) never fold here PF because even if his range is QQ KK AA+ AK, most tags (regs) I've noticed play very weak-tight on the turn with AK unimproved, and also almost never go for a CR on turn with AA KK QQ.

Because of this I call PF with the plan of calling any less than psb if no A or K falls, and betting the turn if checked too.

This by itself doesn't make a pf call +ev, but I think when you add in the times that you flop a set and stack an overpair + metagame (as in getting more action when you cold call PF in this spot with AA from AK KK QQ JJ and worse from looser players) it makes call&gt;fold.