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Absolution 11-14-2007 09:20 PM

top pair on the turn
 
This guy is 24/21/2.5. He's been fairly straight forward and has trouble laying down a pair when he raised pre-flop. He's multitabling and I think making some mistakes like donk betting because he misread the action.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero...

ZOMG_RIGGED! 11-14-2007 09:23 PM

Re: top pair on the turn
 
Wheres the hang up? C/C the river or B/F? doing anything besides calling the turn has to be bad. Lately I'm B/F this river unless I think the villian will raise the river with a busted flush.

Romulet 11-14-2007 09:27 PM

Re: top pair on the turn
 
Call down. Lots of worse aces and draws that materialise he could be doing the raising with. Reraising not good here.

Absolution 11-14-2007 09:29 PM

Re: top pair on the turn
 
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Wheres the hang up? C/C the river or B/F? doing anything besides calling the turn has to be bad. Lately I'm B/F this river unless I think the villian will raise the river with a busted flush.

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He's a multitabling TAGfish taking a "give me money" line.

NinaWilliams 11-14-2007 09:34 PM

Re: top pair on the turn
 
3-BETS !!!!!

In all seriousness Id call down because sometimes he gets frustated with KK and decides to raise for whatever reason. Also you could chop. Im also usually playing wa/wb on this flop to avoid spots like this.

istewart 11-14-2007 09:43 PM

Re: top pair on the turn
 
I don't like the flop CR that much. I think he'll be finding folds with TT and below, and if he's straightforward/multitabling, that reduces the number of worse aces in his range. I think maybe checkcall-bet is okay here.

On the turn, this spot sucks. You should be boned as [censored] 100% of the time, but the number of legit hands that beat you is pretty small. But I need to reiterate that you are [censored] basically always. Results-oriented sure, but maybe check the turn? Is he going to be paying off the turn and river with queens?

mattnxtc 11-14-2007 10:09 PM

Re: top pair on the turn
 
If he is an aggressive tag...why not just c/c down?

Mozart 11-14-2007 10:12 PM

Re: top pair on the turn
 
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I don't like the flop CR that much. I think he'll be finding folds with TT and below, and if he's straightforward/multitabling,


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has trouble laying down a pair when he raised pre-flop.

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I think a check-raise is ok, i dunno how good that donkbet bet was but if he always answer to the donkbet with a spewy move, i think it is ok.

I´m not three betting here.

kross 11-14-2007 10:14 PM

Re: top pair on the turn
 
Not crazy about the flop c/r. I'd just c/c from the flop on down.

milesdyson 11-15-2007 12:07 AM

Re: top pair on the turn
 
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Not crazy about the flop c/r. I'd just c/c from the flop on down.

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and get 2.5 bb in when behind and 1.5 when ahead pretty much.

playing like this makes the ratio of betsLost:betsWon large when playing against someone who won't fold QQ or KK on this board. playing aggressively lowers the ratio.

i personally mix up my play here. i used to never donk the flop into the preflop capper, but now i do often, for a few reasons:
1. no one folds a pair
2. some guys call and raise turn with KK or raise the flop with TT thinking i'm bluffing and they want to end it soon.
3. some people i play with actually check behind QQ/KK and call turn/river bets.

i'll sometimes c/c flop and donk turn if i think he's the type to bet flop, check turn ,call river.


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