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scott111 08-14-2007 06:27 PM

strange hand
 
Should I bet?

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
10 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (10 players) hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Button folds, hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5SB, 5 players)
hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2.5BB, 5 players)
hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2.5BB, 5 players)
hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+2 bets</font>, 2 folds, hero ....

Results:
Final pot: 4.5BB

Tiburon 08-14-2007 06:40 PM

Re: strange hand
 
I don't bet the flop here (if that's what you're asking). Weak ace with 5 players on that board in first position isn't worth a bet IMO. Turn is a c/f obv. River I just fold because the pot is so small and you're chopping at best.

HouseCalls 08-14-2007 06:45 PM

Re: strange hand
 
With fewer players you might bet the turn once know one has expressed interest in the pot on the flop. In this case it is very unlikely that everyone will fold and the pot is really small. Let it go.

kerowo 08-14-2007 08:17 PM

Re: strange hand
 
On a purely meta level, the only hand that beats you is a royal flush and since even 1 card royals are rare I'd be tempted to call. Worst case you pay off a royal which if you did every chance you got wouldn't mean much to your overall win rate.

KitCloudkicker 08-14-2007 08:21 PM

Re: strange hand
 
are we really that scared of one card?

i'd call, though its probably a math problem.

Buzz-cp 08-14-2007 08:27 PM

Re: strange hand
 
[ QUOTE ]
On a purely meta level, the only hand that beats you is a royal flush and since even 1 card royals are rare I'd be tempted to call. Worst case you pay off a royal which if you did every chance you got wouldn't mean much to your overall win rate.

[/ QUOTE ]

also 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img][/nit]

Aaron W. 08-14-2007 08:37 PM

Re: strange hand
 
Flop check is fine. Turn check is fine when it's another heart. On the river, it's a no-brainer call. If everyone calls, you're basically wagering 1 BB to win slightly less than 1 SB (due to the rake), and you don't see the royal here more than 33% of the time because the second nut flush usually bets the turn. Once two players fold, you're now wagering 1 BB to win back that 1 SB plus at least to 1/3 of the 2 SB forfeited by the folders.

Buzz-cp 08-14-2007 08:40 PM

Re: strange hand
 
also Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is not one hand. there are many combos with that Q.

bravos1 08-14-2007 08:44 PM

Re: strange hand
 
MP1 and CO both folding shock me...

Their folds makes your call easy. If they all would of called, then a fold is fine because what you "win" will be sucked away by the rake and you may end up losing $$.

I think it is more interesting if we can get BB to fold if we raise [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Almost certain that UTG+2 does not have the Q because he would of most likely bet the turn w/ the 2nd nuts. He also will not have 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] here since he would have prolly bet the flop, but def bet the turn.

btspider 08-14-2007 08:46 PM

Re: strange hand
 
call riv.. a turn bet would not be advised.


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