Quick preflop range checkup in 100r
 

50 left, 45 pay in 100r. I've only been here an orbit or two but hafizzle (shover in this hand) has shoved twice and won without showdown. Also, from what I can remember, he's pretty good/aggro. What's the worst hand you iso here?

Poker Stars, $100 + $9 NL Hold'em Tournament, 1,500/3,000 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG+1: 65,500
MP1: 32,545
MP2: 112,262
CO: 99,868
Hero (BTN): 66,306
SB: 59,101
BB: 32,707
UTG: 38,935

Pre-Flop: (6,900) x x dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, <font color="red">MP1 raises to 32,245 and is All-In</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to 66,000</font>

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77+ A9s+ AT+ KQ+ seems about right

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somethin like 44+,AT+,KQs

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77+ A9s+ AT+ KQ+ seems about right

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don't like that because 66&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; A9s against a resonable range. im pretty sure that hafizzle is pushing any pair.

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AJ+/77+

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AJ+/77+

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yeah that seems more like it to me...

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AJ+/77+

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yeah that seems more like it to me...

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meh. with lil over 10bbs, antes, and in MP1 at 8 handed table, i'd say his range is something like 22+,A8s+,A9o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs maybe even looser

u need like 42.7% equity to breakeven, but since sb and bb are left to act we should prob have a little more than that.

44 has 43.87%, ATo has 44.5% KQs has 45.2%

66 has a whopping 48.5%

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I agree that djk's range is about right in terms of +cEV calling range, but I'm calling a little tighter than that here because I want to have a little more cushion where losing is going to take me down to 11 BBs, so around {66+,AJ+}, although I'd probably have a hard time folding AT.

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Assuming 300 ante,

Starting pot = 2400 + 1500 + 3000 = 6900

(32245+6900):32245 = 1.214:1

1/(1.214+1) = .4517, ~45.2%

Edited for ante

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ante is 300 tho

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[censored]!! i messed up

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alright new range 55+,ATs+,AJo+

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Good players will shove a pretty wide range with an M between 4 &amp; 5.

That said, he has shoved a couple of times already in the past of couple of orbits and he is now shoving again from pretty early position (3rd to act preflop). I'd argue that his range is a bit tigher than:

22+,A8s+,A9o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs as suggested from another poster

I'd think of his range as:
22+,AJ+,KQ+,QJs,JTs (with the bigger aces &amp; pairs having the heaviest weight in this range)

Given my suggested range, I'm iso-shoving 88+ and AQ+ . I also think hero's stack and # of players left before cashing call for a tighter range than something that is simply cEV+

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20bbs &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt ; 10bbs espec in the 100r

that should def weigh in here

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Fwiw, djk is nuts and loves being allin too much. 77+ AJ+ is closest. I might even fold AJ.

edit- as bakes pointed out, losing this pot throws your r/r fold equity right out the window, which might make me tend to call a little tighter

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I'd expect him to be a little bigger here, 77+, AJ+ sounds good to me, I might even fold AJo tbh if I really felt he was strong this time.

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AJ+, 77 seems perfect

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u guys are so tight! i think folding 66 here would be a mistake. also, if you're folding 66, you should be folding AJo as well. But i think they are both calls.

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I'd be folding AJ and 77 here. Why the hell do you think he's super light here Dan? He has 11 bb's, people don't know how to pushbot. If he had just lost a huge pot or something then maybe but come on.

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AJs + 77+ Imo.

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I'd be folding AJ and 77 here. Why the hell do you think he's super light here Dan? He has 11 bb's, people don't know how to pushbot. If he had just lost a huge pot or something then maybe but come on.

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i don't think he's super light, but still fairly wide. it's 8 handed and there are big antes. and i know he isn't a nit or anything.

i think his range is something like this 22+,A8s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+

that really isn't that wide. if he were utg, yea he'd be pushing tighter.

66 and AJo have 48% equity vs that range.

also there's absolutely no way 77/AJs could possibly be folds.

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I'd be folding AJ and 77 here. Why the hell do you think he's super light here Dan? He has 11 bb's, people don't know how to pushbot. If he had just lost a huge pot or something then maybe but come on.

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ive played hundreds of sng's with haffizle. He knows how to pushbot.

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AQo+, AJs+, 66+

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it's 8 handed and there are big antes. and i know he isn't a nit or anything.

i think his range is something like this 22+,A8s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+


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Ok it's been way too long since I've done pushbot calculations, but he should shove substantially wider than that right? I iso'd KQo and got berated for the record. (After reading the thread and doing some very quick calculations I think it's a little -EV)
Steve

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it's 8 handed and there are big antes. and i know he isn't a nit or anything.

i think his range is something like this 22+,A8s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+


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Ok it's been way too long since I've done pushbot calculations, but he should shove substantially wider than that right? I iso'd KQo and got berated for the record. (After reading the thread and doing some very quick calculations I think it's a little -EV)
Steve

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yes he probably should be (and quite possibly is) shoving wider than that, but almost everyone else seems to be convinced he isnt for some reason.

i'd say KQo is a bit loose, but KQs would be okay i think.

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in the 100r when he's already pushed a couple times and a lot of people know how to adjust calling ranges I don't think he should be pushing very wide

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in the 100r when he's already pushed a couple times and a lot of people know how to adjust calling ranges I don't think he should be pushing very wide

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I think the bigger factor arguing for a tighter range is that he just pushed twice recently before this hand.

Did Steve say what he had?

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in the 100r when he's already pushed a couple times and a lot of people know how to adjust calling ranges I don't think he should be pushing very wide

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i disagree. using a 150 (1/2 of actual ante) and calling ranges of
88+,AJs+,AQo+
88+,AJs+,AQo+
77+,AJo+,AJs+
66+,AJo+,AJs+
66+,AJo+,ATs+

u can push(accordin to sngpt) Push hands: 22+,A2+,K4o+,K2s+,Q8o+,Q2s+,J8o+,J2s+,T8o+,T4s+,98 o,95s+,85s+,75s+,64s+,54s (52.0%)

obviously i wouldn't be pushing as wide as that, but given most of the responses here my calling ranges seem fair. so obviously u can push fairly wide in his spot.

also in ur post u say people know how to adjust calling ranges, but many of the people who responded do play the 100r, yet they still gave pretty tight calling ranges.

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77+ ATo+ A9s+ KJs+

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in the 100r when he's already pushed a couple times and a lot of people know how to adjust calling ranges I don't think he should be pushing very wide

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I think the bigger factor arguing for a tighter range is that he just pushed twice recently before this hand.

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Twice in two orbits isn't really anything to take note of. I just happened to have very few tables open at the time so I was paying more attention than usual.

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Did Steve say what he had?

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Oops, he had AJo and berated me after the QQx flop [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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ah for some reason I thought it was twice in one orbit...

anyway, thread is a good reminder why it's better not to berate fish!

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Question to djk, how do you use SNGPT for ICM calcs in the midstages of an MTT?

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not ICM, just chip EV

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anyway, thread is a good reminder why it's better not to berate fish!

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All the ranges in this hand seem way too loose, IMO. For me it's like 99+ AQ+. He doesn't show up with much worse with 11x BB in this position.

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All the ranges in this hand seem way too loose, IMO. For me it's like 99+ AQ+. He doesn't show up with much worse with 11x BB in this position.

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If this is true, then my "good" read is waaaaaay off and he is terrible. Not shoving 22 in his spot is a travesty, and not shoving 72o is just as bad or worse if everyone behind is only calling 99+/AQ. (Maybe you didn't see there are relatively big antes?)

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Steve

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All the ranges in this hand seem way too loose, IMO. For me it's like 99+ AQ+. He doesn't show up with much worse with 11x BB in this position.

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Way too tight with the antes IMO. If that is really our range and the rest of the table is remotely similar, he should almost certainly be shoving a ridiculous wide range.

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upz didn't see there were 1/10 antes. Definitely would loosen up to 77+ AJs+ for sure.

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It's worth mentioning that we should subtract about 1000 chips from our EV to compensate for when one of the blinds wakes up w/ AK/TT+. This adds about 2% to the 45% breakeven call figure. It may seem meaningless, but if we're gonna nitpick which hands make up the borderline, it's more correct.