KK hand vs. 2p2er
 

Villain is BT2. I have him at 11.0/9.5/4.1 over 1800 hands. Basically he is a nit and doesn't get too far out of line. 4betting preflop is not an option. I think my flop line is standard too. What should I do on the turn here? Should I have led the turn? If you say shove please let me know what his range for calling is. If you call then what is your river line for a blank, K, J?

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero ($400.75)</font>
UTG+1 ($176.15)
<font color="#C00000">MP1 ($211)</font>
MP2 ($142.75)
CO ($697.75)
Button ($209.30)
SB ($133.45)
BB ($199.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $26</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero calls $18.

Flop: ($55) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $35</font>, Hero calls $35.

Turn: ($125) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $50</font>, Hero ???

Re: KK hand vs. 2p2er
 

I probably raise the flop.

As played, I think I call again, and open-shove the river (check fold if it's A or Q).

Re: KK hand vs. 2p2er
 

I just stick it in on the turn...

If he has AA, [censored] him, but he is aggressive enough that this is still veryyyy +EV and a good spot to be in

Re: KK hand vs. 2p2er
 

nothing else? I know that at least 10 of you play with him daily. He did 3bet my UTG raise and while I'm looser than most of you up front I'm still not raising super wide or anything. His range is wider than AA/KK here in your minds?

Re: KK hand vs. 2p2er
 

Shove. He's very loose.

Re: KK hand vs. 2p2er
 

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Re: KK hand vs. 2p2er
 

Shove Shove Shove

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battletoad2, BT2 on here. He's the one always telling you to fold.

Re: KK hand vs. 2p2er
 

lol @ calling bt2 a nits.

Re: KK hand vs. 2p2er
 

ez shove there againt that nits

Re: KK hand vs. 2p2er
 

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lol @ calling bt2 a nits.

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Do you play against the same guy I do? Are you leveling me? He's the tightest 2p2er that I play against. This includes jessy "muck middle set to a cbet" j.

Re: KK hand vs. 2p2er
 

I have him at 16.5/15.5/2.2 over ~1700 hands

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I have him at 16.5/15.5/2.2 over ~1700 hands

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Thats a really big difference. This is weird.

Re: KK hand vs. 2p2er
 

This hand is QQ just as often as AA. When you call the flop you're basically committing to the hand anyhow, so I would go on and check-raise the flop to $100 and call an allin. As played just put it in on the turn, the last thing you want to see is a scare card on the river. Just of note...this line gets better value out of AK (if you think he's gonna double-barrel AK here), but comes with more risk obviously.

Re: KK hand vs. 2p2er
 

c/r flop is a mistake. c/r turn.

Re: KK hand vs. 2p2er
 

BT2 is not a nit, not even close, he is one of the more aggressive full ringers (besides Renton (i hate you renton))

But yeah like I said, stick it in on the turn yo

Re: KK hand vs. 2p2er
 

I don't know the dude (I don't play Party) but seems to me like the two obvious moves are: Option A) open shove on the turn; or Option B) c/c twice (unless the river's an A or Q).

There seems to be a debate about what this guy is capable of, but if Villain is LAG Option A seems good. There's a much better chance you're ahead and you don't want him to get a free card against the wider range (AJ, AK, TT etc) you're beating.

If he really is a nit, I'd prefer Option B. I find it difficult to imagine a nit would 3-bet pf and then double barrel with anything other than AA or QQ here. Still, the chips are probably going in either way so I wonder if it really makes much difference how it's played on the turn and river...

Re: KK hand vs. 2p2er
 

add me to the shove turn &gt; call/call a blank river &gt; fold camp

I have him at ~16/15/4 and from past hands, his range is def more than just AA here.