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wiggs73 10-22-2007 04:04 PM

3/6 - I want to call with 3rd pair (smallish pot)
 
Villain is kitty97 who is very aggro. He's 3bet me a few times over the past few minutes and I have folded every time.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($600)
UTG ($377.60)
MP ($688.65)
CO ($467.45)
Hero ($850)
SB ($603.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $24</font>, SB calls $21, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($54) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($54) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $42</font>, Hero calls $42.

River: ($138) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $126</font>, Hero


Is this a bluff often enough to call?

I guess our recent history has me a bit confused as to what his range is here. He's been 3betting me quite a bit, so I figured he would here with pairs 99+, AK and the like. So idk if this maybe a small PP turned into a bluff or a turned draw that's firing 2 or if I just want to be a callbox for no good reason.

Eagles 10-22-2007 04:13 PM

Re: 3/6 - I want to call with 3rd pair (smallish pot)
 
You can for sure call here

wrkingtobegreat 10-22-2007 04:13 PM

Re: 3/6 - I want to call with 3rd pair (smallish pot)
 
Fold. Just because he's 3 bet you alot doesn't mean this is a bluff often enough to call with bottom pair.

AAismyfriend 10-22-2007 04:18 PM

Re: 3/6 - I want to call with 3rd pair (smallish pot)
 
Given the board texture on the the turn, he could certainly be firing a missed draw on the river enough to make this call. The problem is that a lot of players won't cold call KQ/JT/T9 type hands from the SB. If he's the type to 3 bet those from the blinds this is closer to a fold since it's unlikely he had a drawing hand on the turn. He probably has a mid PP a lot, and this board nails his range in that case, and all you would really beat is a bluff from 22-55, and I doubt he's turning a low pair into a bluff here often enough to call. Basically all I'm getting at is you should only be calling this if his cold call range from the SB is fairly wide here.

RaSZi 10-22-2007 04:35 PM

Re: 3/6 - I want to call with 3rd pair (smallish pot)
 
I know kitty very well and this looks like his valueline

pokeriseasy 10-22-2007 05:20 PM

Re: 3/6 - I want to call with 3rd pair (smallish pot)
 
The river just doesn't seem like a good card to fire a 2nd time as a bluff. Although you checked back the flop on that board pretty much announcing you don't have much of a hand he still has to expect if you called the turn you'll probably be calling that river. The only hand he can profitably get you to fold is spades. I think often times he has a hand like KJ, KTs, JTs or 45s. I don't think he's bluffing here more than 1/3 of the time.

jono 10-22-2007 05:53 PM

Re: 3/6 - I want to call with 3rd pair (smallish pot)
 
it looks like a spot to call light, but you kinda gotta be there playing to feel it out. I'm guessing he had like KT. I think you get taken to value town like 3/4 of the time.

AAismyfriend 10-22-2007 05:59 PM

Re: 3/6 - I want to call with 3rd pair (smallish pot)
 
do people advocating a fold here also fold QQ?

nuggetz87 10-22-2007 06:10 PM

Re: 3/6 - I want to call with 3rd pair (smallish pot)
 
looks like a fold...most people are smart enough to know most people bet the flop with draws/air most times. i don't think he expects you to fold the and river is a pretty bad card to bluff.

QQ question is interesting. i guess if i want to fold this i'd fold it since i can't think of much that he wouldn't reraise that doesn't beat QQ.

Trivial 10-22-2007 06:17 PM

Re: 3/6 - I want to call with 3rd pair (smallish pot)
 
mm, kitty is really retarded so i want to call, but i guess our hand has about the same value as A high here. i would definitely look this up sometimes but i think folding is better as a default on this particular board.


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