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BetweenTheLines 09-11-2007 11:21 AM

[theory]cbet AK after reraising
 
Ok this a general problem I had in the last days,I think
reraising AK preflop is standard but at the moment it's like
burning money for me,think I have leaks in playing reraised pots.
for example:
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $18.10
BB: $30.70
UTG: $25.15
CO: $21.30
Hero (BTN): $23.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="red">CO raises to $1.10</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.90</font>, 3 folds, CO calls $2.80

Flop: ($8.40) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5.50</font>, CO calls $5.50

Turn: ($19.40) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($19.40) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets all-in for $11.90</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $11.90 returned to CO

Pot Size: $19.40 ($0.95 Rake)

I mean there is often a board like this if you miss,undercards sure (ok the example is bad because its very connected). But is there value in cbetting? I mean he will not fold a lot of pp here?Another question how big to make the cbet,people say in rr pots you can make your cbets smaller like half the pot,but seems that people see that as weakness if you only bet half pot?And what about the normal donk-callingstation if he calls the rr will he often enough fold to make it profitable,?

Another sidequestion in which scenario do you like coldcalling preflop with AK?

So maybe I have just shortterm problems but I hope that some
experienced players can help me to improve my game in these
spots.

ciro bonano 09-11-2007 12:16 PM

Re: [theory]cbet AK after reraising
 
I play it exactly the same; what do you beat on the river besides AT? I think he folds the flop enough (missed pockets, AK, AQ, KQ, etc) to make cbetting profitable, and you got a free card for it.

I'd need a very good read to coldcall AK preflop, saying that villain folds preflop early but would stack off with AQ etc on a Axx board.

orange 09-11-2007 12:27 PM

Re: [theory]cbet AK after reraising
 
this is actually one of those flops i wouldnt mind checking.

its unlikely he'll fold his TT or whatever. that flop hit alot of his range. i like checking in position and probably giving up.

traz 09-11-2007 12:43 PM

Re: [theory]cbet AK after reraising
 
In position I check this alot, oop I bet alot

MrWooster 09-11-2007 12:44 PM

Re: [theory]cbet AK after reraising
 
[ QUOTE ]
In position I check this alot, oop I bet alot

[/ QUOTE ]

Please could you explain why...

Lego05 09-11-2007 12:50 PM

Re: [theory]cbet AK after reraising
 
In 3bet pots my c-bets are generally ~2/3 pot.

I think I'd probably bet this although checking is fine too unless the villian calls 3bets with a very wide range, but like normal gives up on flops that missed him.



I like never coldcall with AK pre-flop.

blue10cj 11-16-2007 03:41 AM

Re: [theory]cbet AK after reraising
 
pretty standard
i play it the same

vixticator 11-16-2007 03:49 AM

Re: [theory]cbet AK after reraising
 
I tend to c-bet when miss more often than not but it REALLY feels like spew every single time.

DonkeyOnTilt 11-16-2007 03:53 AM

Re: [theory]cbet AK after reraising
 
AK and all 2 overcard type hands can be real trouble. This flop is one I would be more inclined to check given the coordinated nature of the board. I think this is pretty standard and I wouldn't give up on AK and similar hands just because they haven't been kind recently. Just remember the cardinal rule not to overplay your hand and you should do just fine.

matrix 11-16-2007 08:23 AM

Re: [theory]cbet AK after reraising
 
coldcalling with AK preflop is like teh suck.

Play it like the nuts that it is preflop - and play cautiously with it postflop.

as played I'd check that flop - it's connected and lots of villains range will have hit it. If we check the flop an dvillain leads smallish on the turn we can call/fold depending on how big his bet is - whether we think he has a worse missed hand than we do or something better - what our odds might be etc. River is def a fold as played. rarely we are folding the best hand here - but it costs so much to find out if we are ahead it's not worth it in the long run.

cbets in 3bet pots ought to be be a little over halfpot when playing 100bb stacks - basically you want to be able put villain all-in easily for a PSB on the turn if you choose to. A CB here of $4.50 is a better size - villain is short and will be calling ~$13 then on the turn into a pot of ~$17.

Cbetting ~2/3 as a standard in 3bet pots I think is a leak. If people view yout 1/2 pot CB sizes as weak in 3bet pot then bet half when you have the goods and push OTT of their raises - a half pot bet threatens villains stack entirely ina 3bet pot there is nothing weak about it. There are very few villains I think that would call/raise a $4.50 bet here and fold to a $5.50 bet in your hand because i's bigger - if they are calling one they are likely calling the other - and you get no advantages I can see with the larger bet amount.


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