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sb is kinda silly in that he's overdefends his blinds preflop and takes weird lines like chkc TT on an 9548 2 toned board oop on the turn and then donk a river A for like 1/4 pot.

bb is kinda unknown but probably not too bad or anything.
Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $15.85
SB: $486.45
BB: $396
UTG: $200
Hero (CO): $257.80

Pre-Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $7, BB calls $6

Flop: ($24) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($24) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $14</font>, BB calls $14, Hero ???

who wants to raise?

I do. And PF is meh w/ button being so short.

i dont. you may have 4 outs so try and hit them cheap.

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i dont. you may have 4 outs so try and hit them cheap.

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yea, but I'd say I'm ahead here fairly often as well. and I'd like to charge clubs to see the river, no?

the button was sittin on between a $10-20 stack for like 2 orbits, I dunno just didnt seem like a threat to reraise at the time

i prob raise this more then i call, but i can see both being fine. prob fold if shoved on

Raise turn, and if you lose. Post it in BBV

I like a raise here. You have to not give him outs for his flush. You're in a very good situation where you have the best hand. I say you raise to $35.

Assume they don't have a flush yet, and get the value here while they have the draw or TPTK. Raise to ~the pot, fold to river shove.

if we raise and get shoved on we fold?

I think this is a spot where I would raise/fold to try to find out where i'm at or to at least isolate the pot. id probably make it at least $50 here and make a bet on the river that tpgk can call

not that either villain would notice. but doen't hero's line look like BS if we raise the turn. the only reason we wouldn't bet the flop is if we had the nut flush on the flop right? not that it really matters here.

as for how it's played. i think either raise or call is fine.

I think a call here is atrocious. We have no reason to think we're behind here and there are plenty of cards we want to protect against/charge to draw out against us.

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if we raise and get shoved on we fold?

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I think we'd have to.

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not that either villain would notice. but doen't hero's line look like BS if we raise the turn. the only reason we wouldn't bet the flop is if we had the nut flush on the flop right? not that it really matters here.

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I could have 66, 65s, or an unlikely straight, doubt I'd ever slowplay a any flush/flopped set vs. two opponents so yeah I see what you're saying.

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as for how it's played. i think either raise or call is fine.

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yeah, this is what US said... surely one line has to be optimal though? I can remember a few instances where I raised 2 pr and got shoved on by a flush in a similar board and really hated my play cause I thought I could have kept the pot smaller/drawn to 4 outs and made a better decision on the river, that pot was heads up though.

easy r/f imo. Raising turn looks hugely hugely like the flopped nuts and it would take massive balls to 3b a worse hand on the turn, and you can't afford to let people draw out on you for free.

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not that either villain would notice. but doen't hero's line look like BS if we raise the turn. the only reason we wouldn't bet the flop is if we had the nut flush on the flop right? not that it really matters here.

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I could have 66, 65s, or an unlikely straight, doubt I'd ever slowplay a any flush/flopped set vs. two opponents so yeah I see what you're saying.

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as for how it's played. i think either raise or call is fine.

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yeah, this is what US said... surely one line has to be optimal though? I can remember a few instances where I raised 2 pr and got shoved on by a flush in a similar board and really hated my play cause I thought I could have kept the pot smaller/drawn to 4 outs and made a better decision on the river, that pot was heads up though.

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calling is good if u think the villain will bluff the river alot assuming that u were on a draw as well. it seems from your op that u think Villain might lead alot of rivers even if he misses?

raising is better if u think he'll call with his whole range.

i don't think we have to protect the turn too much. Villain's can't have much more than 20% equity if we're ahead. so if they bluff the river alot more than that, then calling the turn is better...especially if they'd fold alot to our raise on the turn when behind with their draws.

Read replies and here's my two cents....

Raising the turn represents the NF and the NF only it seems. Would you ever play the NF in this manner? I am not saying you would never check the flop. But if you did, why would you raise the turn? It just doesn't add up. You rate to make more money by giving them a bit of rope, not by checking a whole street of value and then raising them off their second best hand. That is just not good poker. If you did have the NF and found yourself raising this turn it is probably on a line that consisted of you betting the flop representing the NFD or something that needs protection (like TP/overpair..) and now a turn raise is in order because either your opponent is committed or your line can stay consistent with you chasing/protecting. By checking the flop your intentions are to trap the middle guy for some bets as well as the leader (if you held the NF) and make your move on the river when the pot is a nice size and your value raise can have a high expectation of getting looked up because their are 2 players in the hand AND they may feel pot committed.

As for your hand, I like a call. I understand you give them a chance to outdraw you but the pot is relatively small and having to fold to a river club wouldn't be the end of the world. You also close the betting ensuring a river card without having to face another bet. Lastly, you keep the strength of your hand well disguised in the times that the river does blank and you can then get a value bet in if checked to and comfortably call a bet if bet into because the pot is manageable.