LC: How do you get VP$IP and PFR close?
 

One thing I've always struggled with is raising my PFR. Typically my PFR is about half of my VP$IP.

Let's say you have 22-88 OTB and there was an EP raise and a few cold callers. Are you guys always 3-betting this with position? I guess a lot of the difference in my VP/PFR comes from situations like this where I have a hand I can stack but a 3-bet would pretty much ruin my implied odds for the hand. Same thing with cold calling raises in the blinds with hands that can stack but 3-betting with horrible position is so gross.

I just don't understand how you can get to say 20/18 or 17/15 without 3-betting nearly every single hand you play.

Re: LC: How do you get VP$IP and PFR close?
 

almost never limp, raise a wide range from CO/BTN

Re: LC: How do you get VP$IP and PFR close?
 

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Let's say you have 22-88 OTB and there was an EP raise and a few cold callers.

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I'm assuming you play <100nl? Cuz this doesn't really happen that often at 200nl+.

To answer your Q basically just never open limp and cold call/overlimp rarely.

Re: LC: How do you get VP$IP and PFR close?
 

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Let's say you have 22-88 OTB and there was an EP raise and a few cold callers. Are you guys always 3-betting this with position?

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This is a pretty standard call. I'd say anything other than calling is bad here.

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I guess a lot of the difference in my VP/PFR comes from situations like this where I have a hand I can stack but a 3-bet would pretty much ruin my implied odds for the hand.

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Not at all. These multi-way spots come up pretty rarely.

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I just don't understand how you can get to say 20/18 or 17/15 without 3-betting nearly every single hand you play.

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Don't open-limp.
Rarely cold-call in heads-up spots. Only cold-call in multi-way spots where you're looking to hit a good flop, and the gap between your VPIP and PFR will shrink.

Re: LC: How do you get VP$IP and PFR close?
 

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Let's say you have 22-88 OTB and there was an EP raise and a few cold callers.

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I'm assuming you play <100nl? Cuz this doesn't really happen that often at 200nl+.

To answer your Q basically just never open limp and cold very/overlimp rarely.

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The vast majority of my cold calling range is with 22-TT. At NL200+, do you routinely 3bet or fold them to an EP or EMP raise?


For example:-

20/8 UTG+2 raises to 4bb, folded to you on the Button holding 77. Your play?

Re: LC: How do you get VP$IP and PFR close?
 

standard call

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standard call

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99 or TT might be a different story depending on the villain.

Happy birthday GM!

Re: LC: How do you get VP$IP and PFR close?
 

22-88 is only 3.2% of hands.

To get to a 10% difference you would have to limp or call: TT-22,AJs-A2s,QJs,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,54s,43s,32s

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standard call

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So, given the fact that your pfr is close to your vpip, does 22-99 make up almost all of your CCs?

Re: LC: How do you get VP$IP and PFR close?
 

Or just remember "if it's good enough to call it's most likely good enough to raise".