Hand from the WSOP 2500nl (not mine) but interesting I think.
 

If this should be in wsop discussion I apologize, someone move it pls.

levels 50/100

utg+1 with 850 chips total opens for 200.
utg+3 with 4k calls.
cutoff with 4k calls.
Hero with 1700 and KK makes it 600(?)
bb with 6k calls the raise....
utg+1 shoves for his last 650 (250 more).
utg+3 calls
cutoff calls
Hero tries to shove (strong move but obv not legal, and is forced to only put in 250 more), and the bb calls.

Flop 996 with 2 clubs
checks to the hero who shoves for his last 850..

BB thinks for a while and calls with 44 and spikes a 4 on the river to bust hero. (utg+1 had the other 2 kings btw lol)


Thoughts on the preflop play?

sheets

Re: Hand from the WSOP 2500nl (not mine) but interesting I think.
 

Were you trying to induce the short stack to push over your reraise so you can raise it again? Was the the initial plan?

edit: Oh and I just shove preflop facing that action.

Re: Hand from the WSOP 2500nl (not mine) but interesting I think.
 

I'd do that sometimes but then I'm also a total internet donk and probably don't realize that you can't shove if UTG+1 repops...ugh.

Normally I'd just push PF but with these stacks/blinds it's really tempting to take a gamble and get action. hmm.

Re: Hand from the WSOP 2500nl (not mine) but interesting I think.
 

I'd much rather just push given the amount of money that's in the pot. I don't see what this smaller raise is trying to accomplish; I'm already expecting that anybody raising that much of their stack is planning on playing for their stack, so the illegal push coming back to me doesn't really add much in the way of intimidation.

Re: Hand from the WSOP 2500nl (not mine) but interesting I think.
 

Was the intention for the hand to play out as it did but hero didn't consider that if shorty pushed he couldn't reraise? I guess I would push first time around, but if hero raises to like 500 the first time then he can push after shorty, right?

Re: Hand from the WSOP 2500nl (not mine) but interesting I think.
 

I'd normally just push, becuase that's what I'd do with a more marginal hand here too, but the smaller raise is ok too I think. Making it like 525 to go would be pretty sweet though so you can push over UTG+1, as long as your opponents aren't observant enough to realize what's going on.

Re: Hand from the WSOP 2500nl (not mine) but interesting I think.
 

a minraise then push would be [censored] awesome for hero. and i dont think the opposition are observant enough to see it coming

Re: Hand from the WSOP 2500nl (not mine) but interesting I think.
 

I had another thought regarding why I might push preflop instead.

The utg+1 raiser is min raising 25% of his stack, which to me indicates strength. I imagine that at least one of the callers also regarded that raise as strong, so i have a feeling these guys may just have enough of a hand where I can push and get called given the odds I will be giving them to do so with all of that money in the pot.

What I do not want to do is invite 5 way action, but I thinnk , as I said, that I can get allin against one maybe 2 guys (the orig raiser also)m without having to deal with the possibility of more players.

As the hand turned out, this type of play would have driven out the 44...the KK obv would have called, and I find it very possible that at least one of the callers before the hero would have enough to call for that price.


sheets

Re: Hand from the WSOP 2500nl (not mine) but interesting I think.
 

I really think not jamming here preflop is outhinking yourself.

Re: Hand from the WSOP 2500nl (not mine) but interesting I think.
 

With 1700 behind I think you need to shove here, especially with 700 already in the pot. UTG+1 will call here probably close to 100% of the time. Besides raising anything less,I think screams monster.