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Fulzgold 12-01-2007 03:25 PM

Marginal spot. River call or fold?? 20NL
 
DO YOU CALL OR FOLD HERE ON RIVER AND WHY?
$0.1/$0.2 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$23.65</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$10.48</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$20.83</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$19.92</font>)

Pre-flop: ($0.3, 4 players) Hero is SB T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
CO calls $0.2, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.2</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, CO calls $1

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($2.6, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1.5</font>, CO calls $1.5

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($5.6, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($5.6, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $2.8</font>,

Cueballmania 12-01-2007 03:29 PM

Re: Marginal spot. River call or fold?? 20NL
 
Call getting 3:1. You only have to catch a bluff 25% of the time to show profit (a little more due to rake considerations).

thac 12-01-2007 03:30 PM

Re: Marginal spot. River call or fold?? 20NL
 
I probably call because his line looks like 44-88 enough of the time (we have to be good 25% or 1 in 4 times). You need to bet more on the flop though, like 2.00-2.10ish, and you should be betting this turn for value (like 2/3 pot or just a little bit more).

You really gotta work on your posting abilities, converting a hand and saying CALL FOLD WHY doesn't generate discussion and it doesn't help anyone that will respond to you. If you included a few things about how he played, even if it's just that he's limping too much, it helps so much in giving good advice.

As a default though, I call. Look how weak you played this hand.. he's gonna be betting a LOT of hands after you check to him twice, many of those hands you beat.

Fulzgold 12-01-2007 03:38 PM

Re: Marginal spot. River call or fold?? 20NL
 
my bad THAC. i forgot to eat breakfast. which made me forgot this: NO READ ON VILLAIN.

I bet half the pot generally here on flop with no draws out. wondering why i would bloat the pot/induce fold here with bigger bet?

Cueballmania 12-01-2007 03:39 PM

Re: Marginal spot. River call or fold?? 20NL
 
I like the flop bet.

thac 12-01-2007 03:40 PM

Re: Marginal spot. River call or fold?? 20NL
 
I just think an unknown will call a bigger bet with lesser hands.. we're trying to get value here.

NeverScurred 12-01-2007 03:58 PM

Re: Marginal spot. River call or fold?? 20NL
 
I like the flop bet too. This is an incredibly dry board, so there's no reason to bet a lot. Sure, you're betting for value in this particular spot, but a lot of your range here is bluffs and you don't want to get into a habit of betting more when you have it and less when you don't. I size my c-bets based on board texture, and this is one is really dry, so a small bet will do.

thac 12-01-2007 04:01 PM

Re: Marginal spot. River call or fold?? 20NL
 
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but a lot of your range here is bluffs and you don't want to get into a habit of betting more when you have it and less when you don't.

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What percentage of players do you think will notice this? It's not very many from what I've seen.


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