Re: NL 100: A9s raise in MP
 

y would we need to be committed on our own? Its half our stack at thispoint and we dont have a hand. Nobody is advocating folding, just calling.

Re: NL 100: A9s raise in MP
 

I think you have to check/call the turn. You have a lot of outs but only 1 card to come you don't want the button to push on the turn.

Re: NL 100: A9s raise in MP
 

I would also check/call the turn. As played I would just call the turn though. Your push won't really force him into a decision, he's chipped in here. If a heart comes up you can push and he'll probably think that the probability that you are bluffing gives him the correct pot odds to come. If the gutshot comes, the same thing applies most likely.

Re: NL 100: A9s raise in MP
 

check/call the turn is bad IMO. It´s so transparent that you are drawing.

Re: NL 100: A9s raise in MP
 

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check/call the turn is bad IMO. It´s so transparent that you are drawing.

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Yeah, I think c/c is killing some of our action here when a heart comes, which is a bad reason to use this line.

Betting gives us a chance to take down the pot now, and since he raised small, I can call to see the river with my decent combo draw.

Re: NL 100: A9s raise in MP
 

I hate an all-in here and here's why:

A) you give yourself 2:1 odds to go to the river on an all in where your equity is like, what 25%-28%?
B) After a raise like that, villain doesn't fold.

I like c/c or c/r. I hate to get it in here when we're most likely behind with no fold equity.

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heart on the river might not get me paid off

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And more likely than not, though, you'll lose your whole stack instead.

Re: NL 100: A9s raise in MP
 

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I think you have to check/call the turn. You have a lot of outs but only 1 card to come you don't want the button to push on the turn.

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Agreed. Even though this might not be a strong line, after villain calling flop reraise my thought is that leading is only building a pot where I'm behind and want to see a cheap river. Personally, I rather c/c here instead of using a blocking bet that could get reraised and push me off my hand.

Re: NL 100: A9s raise in MP
 

checking the flop is terrible. I don't know what to do on the turn because I am never checking this flop much less c/r it.

Re: NL 100: A9s raise in MP
 

Why is checking the flop terrible? Please explain, I'm curious.

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Why is checking the flop terrible? Please explain, I'm curious.

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b/c c/f with the nfd is a pretty bad decision made even worse by the fact that you're the aggressor preflop. c/c is bad because you've taken yourself out of the lead and might as well turn your hand face up. c/r is bad because if he 3bets you're behind the vast majority of the time and have to fold a decent holding. If it checks through and you bet a blank turn then he will only fold worse hands and call or raise better ones. If it checks through and you spring to life its basically impossible to get it in vs. anything, but a flush which you would have gotten it in against by betting the flop anyways. If it checks through and you check the turn then he is going to be able to take the pot away quite easily if he has a worse holding unless you plan on calling down A high, which is not such a good idea either. I think that covers basically all the scenarios. Basically, there is no good line to take if you check the flop, but there are a lot of good lines available to you if you bet the flop.