25/50 Live Flopped Flush
 

Everyone but UTG+1 in this hand has 15k, only he matters though. He has 8100 to start the hand or so. He limps. In 2 hours I've only seen him get to showdown once and it was when he check/called 89x, then check/raised a 7 turn and got it in with TJ. Seems very straightforward old guy who's kind of tired at 2 a.m. and not at all a tough player. Keep in mind though that I've been playing 2 hours so my sample size is about 40 hands.

I've been playing tight by my standards but the table probably thinks I'm crazy because they're all a bunch of old nits who have seen me bluff once and think I'm a lunatic now because nobody at 25/50 would ever bet 3k on the turn without a monster but apparently I did once. I have played basically no big pots.

Anyway, onto the hand. Fish makes it 300 in, two callers, I call from SB w/3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], UTG+1 limps.
Flop (1500) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I check, UTG+1 checks, preflop raiser bets $300, button calls. I check raise to $2300.
UTG+1 goes "how much is it?" Dealer tells him and about 3-5 seconds later he pushes all in for 5800 more.
Preflop raiser says something like "Young grasshopper (that's what he calls me because he's an annoying old guy) I was going to do that if he didn't. Whoo-eey. Sorry fellas, I got to think here. He stands up, grabs his crotch,and contemplates the situation staring at me and folds. Button thinks for a sec, shakes his head, and folds also.

So there's $12,500 in the pot and it's 5800 to me.

Call or fold?

Re: 25/50 Live Flopped Flush
 

this is wayyy closer imo if you hold 27dd
edit: but i still get it in obv

Re: 25/50 Live Flopped Flush
 

call, you have 2 straight flush outs if behind

Re: 25/50 Live Flopped Flush
 

cant wait to hear the results!!!!

Re: 25/50 Live Flopped Flush
 

insta call, obv

Re: 25/50 Live Flopped Flush
 

I like the fold preflop, to fire out on flop or the thinner check call, its gonna put u in an akward spot like this whether or not he flopped trips or a 10+ high flush which is about 22 hands once you get below 25 hands you have to play the hand to a T or your gonna be put in a spot like this, why check raise, im not even including the lower suited connectors which all goes back to preflop. I think you wanted to call this so bad you did and he turned over a bigger flush lol.

Re: 25/50 Live Flopped Flush
 

even if you're behind you still win like 10% of the time, so normally i'd say snap-call. but the 3rd player's table-talk gives me pause, b/c it sounds like he folded the Ad, and I imagine taking the lone ace out of the all-in players range hurts your equity a fair bit. still, that probably just turns it into more of a groan-call.

Re: 25/50 Live Flopped Flush
 

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even if you're behind you still win like 10% of the time, so normally i'd say snap-call. but the 3rd player's table-talk gives me pause, b/c it sounds like he folded the Ad, and I imagine taking the lone ace out of the all-in players range hurts your equity a fair bit. still, that probably just turns it into more of a groan-call.

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Re: 25/50 Live Flopped Flush
 

ariel, another thing too is even if this guy NEVER SEMIBLUFFS he woudl think (vs you) a set is the nuts therefore he mvoes in.

Re: 25/50 Live Flopped Flush
 

I really have no clue... I'd think they might be playing back at you lighter than the norm for them, but UTG+1 still has players to act behind him and you get a really good feel for someone's game after 2 hours and it doesn't sound like you think he'll be semi-bluffing here very much. [censored].. probably have to call this though. He could have a set I guess. Really tough spot.

Kirk