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nuggetz87 11-26-2007 03:51 PM

400nl draw vs. lag
 
villain is jcamby33, i heard he's a good tournament player. he's pretty lag, bordering on maniac. i think he may be capable of showing up with a bare draw here. i could see him playing a set like this too i guess, we have a bit of history and he knows i am aggressive. 99? i feel like i butchered this one.

also not sure about various turn lines..c/r, c/f, b/c, b/f? shove turn?

he is all-in on the river btw.

Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: $1,361.50
BTN: $643.20
SB: $439
Hero (BB): $388.50
UTG: $558.20
MP: $308.80

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $16</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($34) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $20</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $72</font>, BTN calls $52

Turn: ($178) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $119</font>, BTN calls $119

River: ($416) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $212</font>

Laetus 11-26-2007 04:03 PM

Re: 400nl draw vs. lag
 
If he's really aggro I don't mind a bet/3-bet all-in on flop actually.

As played it's pretty tricky to play turn and river. Dunno really what to do. Perhaps I would bet turn and shove river if he don't think we three barrel with draws a high frequency.

too eazy 11-26-2007 04:16 PM

Re: 400nl draw vs. lag
 
Shove the river.

He'll fold enough to make it profitable, and it's got good metagame implications.

b33nz 11-27-2007 01:18 AM

Re: 400nl draw vs. lag
 
a river shove would be great if u had at least $250+ left. im not sure if he is capable of folding AQ/KQ type hands for $180 on the river. i guess its possible to convince him since both the straight and backdoor FD got there, but its prolly a coinflip.

as for turn i think the way you played the flop you have to bet and call and if shoves. i would have bet ~$155 tho.

Speedlimits 11-27-2007 01:25 AM

Re: 400nl draw vs. lag
 
ok pf is really bad
call flop - dbitel theorem OK

hotbacon 11-27-2007 01:34 AM

Re: 400nl draw vs. lag
 
wtf are you talking about pf is really bad

nug, i think u have a better idea than us of how to play this draw... go by game flow and stuff. im pretty sure ur beat on this river vs jcamby like a ton tho.

Speedlimits 11-27-2007 01:42 AM

Re: 400nl draw vs. lag
 
[ QUOTE ]
wtf are you talking about pf is really bad

nug, i think u have a better idea than us of how to play this draw... go by game flow and stuff. im pretty sure ur beat on this river vs jcamby like a ton tho.

[/ QUOTE ]

3bet&gt;cold call oop.

JackAll 11-27-2007 12:37 PM

Re: 400nl draw vs. lag
 
[ QUOTE ]
Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $16</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($34) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $20</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $72</font>, BTN calls $52

Turn: ($178) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $119</font>, BTN calls $119

River: ($416) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $212</font>

[/ QUOTE ]

I knew there was a reason I hated flop c/rz's here.

Btw, I really hate your bet sizing. If you do c/r flop, make it $100 then commit yourself on the turn.

AcTiOnJaCsOn 11-27-2007 12:55 PM

Re: 400nl draw vs. lag
 
i really liek to lead and 3 bet all in spots like this, c/c is fine. Honeslty c/r is the worst play here imo, and since when is jcamby really that lag?

fees 11-27-2007 01:10 PM

Re: 400nl draw vs. lag
 
pref is fine..


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