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When I mentioned that the existence or non existence of an ante is a bigger factor than ultra large stacks or the ability to fold the second nuts I left out the subject of live tells. Many of you have speculated that tells would in fact be the factor that gives the live players the edge. But it is not. Online players are smart enough to quickly learn to pick up tells if they are truly there and to give off fake tells. If they have a disadvantage it is because of the ante. Like I said.

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aaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgh

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Well then 2 months after stars introduces games with antees there will be at least 5 online players in the top 10



edited to add: Sklansky, there are many HSNl players such as ansky on 2+2 and mjorgenson (who is one of the top players at 6 handed or HU in the world) who made their bones playing torunaments, and are still considered the top tournament players online. Those tourneys all play with antes so the idea that they guys, who excel at both, couldnt adjust is silly.

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lol

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find the [censored] edit button christ

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now i'm laughing

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[censored] you sklanskly

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When I mentioned that the existence or non existence of an ante is a bigger factor than ultra large stacks or the ability to fold the second nuts I left out the subject of live tells. Many of you have speculated that tells would in fact be the factor that gives the live players the edge. But it is not. Online players are smart enough to quickly learn to pick up tells if they are truly there and to give off fake tells. If they have a disadvantage it is because of the ante. Like I said.

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Honestly, you must think we are all Brandi. Quit dicking around. If there is one thing online players can't be beat at, its math. Tells are related in some way to social awareness, really David, we understand we might be lacking there and know you are.

Conclusion: Skanlansky is in the bottle again.

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lol

I didn't think the separate threads were THAT bad. But this one is a little ridiculous.

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I see what you did there...

-Andy

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it's ok to reply inside existing threads

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[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Sklansky

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qft. look at the front page of nvg now, DS has op'd about half of it

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Dude, if he bans himself and never comes back to 2+2 it would be right up there with Andy Kaufman vs Jerry "The King" Lawler

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I see 7/10 DS threads.

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Red is the color of the gods!

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What's an ante? Oh a change in the structure of the game? I can't imagine how any strong poker player could possibly adjust within a 12 month period. Probably at least 6 months of playing just as tight as usual, noticing something isn't right, another 6 months of recouping our money at lower stakes non ante games. Another 6 months of losing again at the ante games, before finally reading this thread and realizing that the addition of an ante before the flop actually means we should change our preflop strategy. Retooling our new preflop strategy should take about another 6 months.

By then we find out they adjusted the ante by an extra 1/4th of a BB, so again we have to retool everything for another 3 months. Now finally we are ready to crack the top 20!

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Exactly.

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What's an ante? Oh a change in the structure of the game? I can't imagine how any strong poker player could possibly adjust within a 12 month period. Probably at least 6 months of playing just as tight as usual, noticing something isn't right, another 6 months of recouping our money at lower stakes non ante games. Another 6 months of losing again at the ante games, before finally reading this thread and realizing that the addition of an ante before the preflop actually means we should change our preflop strategy. Retooling our new preflop strategy should take about another 6 months.

By then we find out they adjusted the ante by an extra 1/4th of a BB, so again we have to retool everything for another 3 months. Now finally we are ready to crack the top 20!



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lol nh.

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when did lo\ve become censored?

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David,

Are you trying to say online players are too tight in full ring games to win enough to overcome the ante?

I ask b/c I want to know what you are trying to say before I respond.

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lol sklansky is 10/10 awesome

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Did DS take time out of his 8 hands an hour to post this or did Brandi do it for him?

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David what are your thoughts on the effect the playing attire of online players will have on this game?

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i wonder how many times sklansky would have been banned if he weren't red

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what differences do the fact that this ante is visible have on the game, as relating to how hotshot LAGs might treat it?

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yeah online pros could easily adjust to tells but adjust to antes? unpossible

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So they can pick up live tells and throw out fake tells in minutes, but they can't deal with antes.

Got it.

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haha, noob!!

and I've been [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]ing DS this whole time

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online players have been playing with antes for a while now, the antes have just been invisible.

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sklansky owns nvg, literally

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luckyjimm isnt even as annoying

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the ante is only used in tournaments. go read a poker book, noob

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What about chip shuffling? I feel a good chip shuffle gives me at least a 5-6% edge vs my opponents.

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no way sklansky isnt leveling with this particular thread

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