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danjohncochane 11-22-2007 07:11 PM

I know that he knows, that i know he knows???....maybe
 
Villian is runnning at 25/19/3(600) - Not really any reads on him, seems to be competent by all means though. Haven't tangled this session so far but only played couple of orbits

Preflop - His raising range is obv wide given the 3 limpers. As i 3bet i'm thinking he's going to 4bet bluff this alot given the fact that he knows i will be 3betting light because of the limpers. Does anyone think a 5-bet pf here will be profitable? ( I obviously prefer doing it with a different type of hand than the K10, one with more equity against his range when called, but iv got this one)

What you think?

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1189
UTG+1: $2265.57
CO: $1077
Button: $1243
SB: $175
Hero: $1047

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 (poster) checks, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $55</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $160</font>, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $415</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $1047[/color)

Laetus 11-22-2007 07:19 PM

Re: I know that he knows, that i know he knows???....maybe
 
You are over thinking this for sure and make a lot of assumptions etc that needs to be accurate to make this play profitable.

tuckercat 11-22-2007 07:25 PM

Re: I know that he knows, that i know he knows???....maybe
 
this is terrible imo, it should be obvious with the third raise that villain has AK+ and he's not going to fold to your shove. maybe if you were 200-300bbs deep this could get the very bottom of his range (AK,JJ,QQ) to fold, but even then it would be very bad.

snakekilla88 11-22-2007 07:29 PM

Re: I know that he knows, that i know he knows???....maybe
 
just take a step back and look what you did. I think you have 0 FE, and are dominated/ a huge underdog a lot of the time.

danjohncochane 11-22-2007 07:35 PM

Re: I know that he knows, that i know he knows???....maybe
 
Ok lol maybe i did overlook this, but it felt right at the time, i felt he was 4betting me light.

trambopoline 11-22-2007 07:39 PM

Re: I know that he knows, that i know he knows???....maybe
 
This is a major spew 100bb deep

JFsports 11-22-2007 07:46 PM

Re: I know that he knows, that i know he knows???....maybe
 
He's getting 2.5/1 to call with a range that beats you. Don't like at all

Kala1928 11-22-2007 07:47 PM

Re: I know that he knows, that i know he knows???....maybe
 
the good thing is he isnt folding 86o now so there is some value in your shove

Requin 11-22-2007 07:49 PM

Re: I know that he knows, that i know he knows???....maybe
 
At least shove a pair...

WelshChip 11-22-2007 07:50 PM

Re: I know that he knows, that i know he knows???....maybe
 
[insert lame ass insult here]

danjohncochane 11-22-2007 07:50 PM

Re: I know that he knows, that i know he knows???....maybe
 
LOL ok i get the message, thought he would be 4bet bluffing alot but i realise now at 100BB deep it is SPEW.

RESULTS - He had AJo, I won.

WelshChip 11-22-2007 07:52 PM

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who is villain?

tuckercat 11-22-2007 07:53 PM

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this is terrible imo, it should be obvious with the third raise that villain has AK+ and he's not going to fold to your shove. maybe if you were 200-300bbs deep this could get the very bottom of his range (AK,JJ,QQ) to fold, but even then it would be very bad.

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this is the most retarded post ive ever read

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wtf is your problem? you want to criticize, fine, but make a point, be articulate, don't just be a douche bag.

Requin 11-22-2007 07:54 PM

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RESULTS - He had AJo, I won.

[/ QUOTE ]Looks like he knew that you knew that he knows that you know that he knew

JFsports 11-22-2007 07:57 PM

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RESULTS - He had AJo, I won.

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I think hand is played fine [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

danjohncochane 11-22-2007 07:58 PM

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who is villain?

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WiseOwl

Have you played much with him? Are my stats on him inaccurate?

pp262 11-22-2007 08:03 PM

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Why would you shove here when he is clearly committed?

WelshChip 11-22-2007 08:13 PM

Re: I know that he knows, that i know he knows???....maybe
 
people 4-bet a lot,

also djcochrane didn't tell you he was a nit

danjohncochane 11-22-2007 08:20 PM

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also djcochrane didn't tell you he was a nit

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Maybe i should have included this.

obiedman 11-22-2007 09:14 PM

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people 4-bet a lot,

also djcochrane didn't tell you he was a nit

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the fact that people 4-bet a lot doesn't make this by any means a good play. it just seems like a lot of overthinking that got OP into trouble. as somebody said, at least he won't fold 86o so there's some value in the shove, but for the most part we're crushed by his range and he's never folding worse.

RiverHebrew2 11-22-2007 09:33 PM

Re: I know that he knows, that i know he knows???....maybe
 
Just because of stacks I don't particularly like this. If you had like $1300 or so, it could be a very good play. I think he's committed to calling here with rele any hand he'd iso with, which is why I don't like it, even if you're ahead of his hand possibly.

jj12 11-22-2007 09:54 PM

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http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3092/goldbh5.png

fringsrache 11-22-2007 10:59 PM

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You are over thinking this for sure and make a lot of assumptions etc that needs to be accurate to make this play profitable.

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