Second pair
 

Villain has played five hands.

EverestPoker CASH LIMIT HOLDEM Lim. $0.10/$0.20 Wed Oct 03 03:20:37 CEST 2007
10-max table: "Vienna-6" #2161004149
SB: hero, BB: POTOFE
Dead Money: 0, Hero: "hero" [Qh Ks]

5OfaKind (9.86) in seat 1
Th3F1sh (5.21) in seat 2
hero (4.1) in seat 3
POTOFE (6.66) in seat 4
Gaulois9 (5.15) in seat 5
loutcho59 (9.88) in seat 6
Parking51 (10) in seat 7
siqueira (5.68) in seat 8
toots76 (7.16) in seat 9
mr.davide (6.24) in seat 10


***PREFLOP***
"Gaulois9" calls for 0.1, "loutcho59" calls for 0.1, "siqueira" calls for 0.1
"toots76" calls for 0.1, "mr.davide" calls for 0.1, "5OfaKind" calls for 0.1
"Th3F1sh" folds, "hero" calls for 0.05, "POTOFE" checks

***FLOP*** [2dQdAc] (0.80)
"hero" checks, "POTOFE" checks, "Gaulois9" checks
"loutcho59" checks, "siqueira" checks, "toots76" checks
"mr.davide" checks, "5OfaKind" bets for 0.1, "hero" raises to 0.2
"POTOFE" folds, "Gaulois9" folds, "loutcho59" folds
"siqueira" folds, "toots76" calls for 0.2, "mr.davide" folds
"5OfaKind" calls for 0.1,
***TURN*** [2dQdAc4d] (1.40)
"hero" bets for 0.2, "toots76" calls for 0.2
"5OfaKind" calls for 0.2,
***RIVER*** [2dQdAc4d8s] (2.00)
"hero" checks, "toots76" checks
"5OfaKind" bets for 0.2, "hero" calls for 0.2
"toots76" folds,

Pot: 2.40, Rake: 0.12
Winners: 5OfaKind wins 2.28
Shown hands: 5OfaKind shows AsKh

I think that the raise is correct on the flop. He could be betting anything and I need to protect my hand/draw.

The turn is more difficult but I almost have odds so I continue.

On the river I got scared with two people still hanging around so I checked.

Comments, plz

Sorry about the conversion but I can't find a functioning converter for Everest

Re: Second pair
 

dude... I tried but wtf this is just a set of random letters. Make a conversion by hand or whatever. <font color="white"> (ban) </font>

Re: Second pair
 

Preflop I play the same, KQo is not a raise for me OOP

Flop I usually would dump it. I would probably want some sort of read that villain was aggressive to continue. Thats not saying you don't have the best hand here a lot of the time, a worse Q could definitely be betting out here after 7 checks to them. But its thin and you need to invest 2BB more to find out.

As played, after your flop raise I think bet-folding both turn and river is better than bet-fold, check-call.

Re: Second pair
 

Then we try again

Hero has KsQh.
6 limpers to hero in SB. Hero limps. BB checks.

Flop is 2d Qd Ac.
Hero checks. Everyone checks to the last player who bets. Hero raises. A lag cc. Bettor calls.

Turn is 4d.
Hero bets. Both call.

River is 8s.
Hero checks. lag checks. Bettor bets. Hero calls and lag folds.

Re: Second pair
 

Dont raise the flop. You arnt really betting for value and there is not a single hand you need to protect against short of AK.

If you are calling river you might as well bet.

Re: Second pair
 

You are right. My kicker is too good to try to buy outs from the pair-draws. I only need AK to fold and AK won't fold. The only hand that I can think of that would suffer if I raise is JT.

The more I think about it the less clean my outs look. Two diamonds with a zillion limpers. A king right in the middle of a straigth-draw. It looks like 3.5 outs and a fold.

Re: Second pair
 

pretty bad....

c/c the flop

as played i guess you have to bet the turn but really just dont get yourself in to this situation in the first place