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kozip 06-04-2007 01:07 PM

$16 when do i fold my QQ overpair
 
16$ buyin, villian ist unknown 2%ROI player

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1550)
UTG+1 (t1440)
MP1 (t1740)
MP2 (t1140)
MP3 (t1600)
CO (t1470)
Hero (t1470)
SB (t1660)
BB (t1430)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t80</font>, SB calls t70, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>

Flop: (t180) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t120</font>, SB calls t120

with QQ in my pocket i like this board. i valuebet and i protect here against any kind of daws (one pair drawing to two pairs or trips, low connected cards drwaing to a straight)

Turn: (t420) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t280</font>, SB calls t280

i dont like this turn, as it makes straights possible, but i think i have to valuebet and to protect my overpair here. so i dont check behind but bet 2/3 pot

River: (t980) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t1180 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">Hero folds</font>

this low card, pairing the board ist terrible. the straight has arrived on the turn, now the trips has come. can i call this river-donk bet?

Kevin8423 06-04-2007 01:24 PM

Re: $16 when do i fold my QQ overpair
 
I probably still call the river, but if I were to have played this I would possibly have bet more on the flop, like 150, and definitley more on the turn, around 3/4 of the pot, and therefore would never be folding a river card with the much smaller amount of our stacks left on the river.

sence25 06-04-2007 01:31 PM

Re: $16 when do i fold my QQ overpair
 
I don't see a big difference between 120 and 150 on the flop, but I stick with you when it comes to a bigger turnbet like 350-380.

Kevin8423 06-04-2007 01:35 PM

Re: $16 when do i fold my QQ overpair
 
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I don't see a big difference between 120 and 150 on the flop, but I stick with you when it comes to a bigger turnbet like 350-380.

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Not that much different, but then its 30 more on the flop, and 50 more on the turn or so. I just like to keep it expensive for any trash hands they might have but yeah its probably about the same.

AMT 06-04-2007 01:41 PM

Re: $16 when do i fold my QQ overpair
 
your goal should be to stack off here and maximize. that said: bet more everywhere.

140+ on the flop
350+ at least on the turn.
call river at that point, or shove when he checks to you.

ManChild 06-04-2007 02:06 PM

Re: $16 when do i fold my QQ overpair
 
this river fold sucks. this is a really easy call. and if he checks to you then you should be shoving here

Guthrie 06-04-2007 02:08 PM

Re: $16 when do i fold my QQ overpair
 
I'd pot the flop and push the turn. That way at least I'd have the satisfaction of getting my money in with the best hand before his A7 hits trips on the river.

Hercules 06-04-2007 02:30 PM

Re: $16 when do i fold my QQ overpair
 
16$ and not vs spacegravvy and you are FOLDING AN OVERPAIR on such a non-scary board?!?!
The last 7 made 77 even less likely.
Villain could be "valueshoving" a AT/KT type of hands. Maybe even JJ...

Bruut99 06-04-2007 02:33 PM

Re: $16 when do i fold my QQ overpair
 
Played fine. Maybe bet a little more on the turn (~350). Call this river. Don't be scared of the straightdraw, very small chance he is holding a 6 after a 4x BB raise. I play the $16 regular and i do fine. Villain has a 10 here 85% of the time imo.

AMT 06-04-2007 02:41 PM

Re: $16 when do i fold my QQ overpair
 
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Maybe bet a little more on the turn (~350).

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i need to stress that the bet amount as played compared to 350 is a BIG difference.


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