river value bet and size ftp 2/4
 

villain is loose and donkish. plays too many hands preflop, takes weird lines and bets too small when he bets (2.5x PF, checkraising a bet of $22 to $54, etc). and he's made a couple marginal / questionable river calls for decent bets.

so how much do i bet? and is there any argument to checking behind?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG ($380)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($599.70)</font>
CO ($801.75)
Button ($498.40)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($353.20)</font>
BB ($143.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $12, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($32) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $22</font>, Hero calls $22.

Turn: ($76) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $44</font>, Hero calls $44.

River: ($164) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero...</font>

Re: river value bet and size ftp 2/4
 

$130. Checking behind would be horrible.

Alot of the times I'll raise the flop, maybe turn, but that depends on metagame more than anything.

Re: river value bet and size ftp 2/4
 

given ur description chk'ing behind would be horrible.

Re: river value bet and size ftp 2/4
 

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so how much do i bet?

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120

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and is there any argument to checking behind?

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Checking is retarded.

Re: river value bet and size ftp 2/4
 

222

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Raise him on the turn, as played bet large-ish yet still could be called by a donk, say 160-170.. if he's loose you don't want him to rr your 120 with a 280.

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Raise him on the turn, as played bet large-ish yet still could be called by a donk, say 160-170.. if he's loose you don't want him to rr your 120 with a 280.

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Him check/raising should be a pretty small concerns here, If you think he'll pay off full pot with Ax it's fine though. I think betting 120-130 will get max value from Ax.

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I like raising the turn here and playing for stacks. As played I would bet strong on the river, close to pot.

eagles- I dont really like your idea of betting $222 on the river at all. Seems like betting that large would turn a lot of people off from calling with an Ax hand that will be more inclined to call a bet within the pot.

Re: river value bet and size ftp 2/4
 

pot

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Okay, didn't think this was that interesting, just checking. Results were that I bet $124 and he called with 76o. And I LOL'd a little.