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timoK 02-12-2007 09:26 AM

Overcards vs donkin TAG
 
3/6 FT 6max

villain is like 26/18/2 over 100 hands

Hero has KJs in MP

UTG folds, Hero bets, 3 folds, BB calls
Flop [T 7 5] (I got backdoor flush draw)

BB bets, Hero?


Havent seen villain in this position before.
Is it best to just peel and fold UI on turn?
What if villain is a pretty passiv fish and he donks into me?

Assahai 02-12-2007 09:38 AM

Re: Overcards vs donkin TAG
 
I'd either raise or fold.
If you think you can get a free card on the turn I'd say raise on the flop. If he reraises or bets again on blank turn then fold.

PokerSparky 02-12-2007 09:41 AM

Re: Overcards vs donkin TAG
 
With your backdoor draws, I would peel and fold the turn UI.

timoK 02-12-2007 09:47 AM

Re: Overcards vs donkin TAG
 
so we got fold, call, raise [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I think peel is a good thing against the average joe opponent. So in this case I go with Sparky.

But what if a overall passiv fish donks into me. I dont like peeling in these situations.

On the over hand is call/fold UI +EV in the long run against a tricky TAG or decent LAG?

Oink 02-12-2007 09:49 AM

Re: Overcards vs donkin TAG
 
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With your backdoor draws, I would peel and fold the turn UI.

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jstill 02-12-2007 12:14 PM

Re: Overcards vs donkin TAG
 
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so we got fold, call, raise [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I think peel is a good thing against the average joe opponent. So in this case I go with Sparky.

But what if a overall passiv fish donks into me. I dont like peeling in these situations.

On the over hand is call/fold UI +EV in the long run against a tricky TAG or decent LAG?

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even against a passive fish u have to peel here. im willing to give u 6 outs on avg even vs their donks (fish donks are just as often not a monster, if its a fish u know never bets ever then yeah i guess u can fold).

I always call here and i think its part of sound strategy against solid observant opponents (more than folding or raising). it ll be tough for them to tell when ur calling to pop the turn or just calling down or on a draw or are just peeling light and gonna fold a blank turn. Its good to make them fire multiple streets often if theyre going to donk into u or F with u in other ways.

rigoletto 02-12-2007 01:36 PM

Re: Overcards vs donkin TAG
 
Peel and raise any A, K, Q, J and flushdraw. As you can tell, you have lots of outs. I would check an unmade turn if chekked to.

mvoss 02-12-2007 01:46 PM

Re: Overcards vs donkin TAG
 
Call and fold turn UI.


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