10/20 - I\'m not a folder, but...
 

...is this a fold? I don't know anything about anyone, really, but PFR is takechip who I don't think is very good but he might be - I haven't played with him much but I've seen him do some stupid stuff. I just sat down, but I've been pretty aggressive so far.

Poker Stars, $10/$20 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $3,088.65
CO: $2,419
TWP(BTN): $2,239.70
SB: $1,460
BB: $1,122.65

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to TWP(BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $80</font>, CO folds, TWP calls $80, SB folds, BB calls $60

Flop: ($250) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $160</font>, TWP calls $160, <font color="red">BB raises to $1,042.65 and is All-In</font>, UTG calls $882.65, TWP...?

Feel free to comment on the other decisions, too, I guess - but I'm less interested in discussion there unless anyone feels strongly about something.

Re: 10/20 - I\'m not a folder, but...
 

havent done the math, but i seriously doubt it

raise the flop though esp given your image + board

Re: 10/20 - I\'m not a folder, but...
 

I think BB's line really looks like a KQ/KJ type of hand, UTG might think the same and call with KK/AA. I don't have time now, but a solid math post would probably be helpful here. The worst case scenarios are really gross.

Re: 10/20 - I\'m not a folder, but...
 

If utg had a set/str8 would he just call BB's shove or would he shove himself? To me it looks like his range is weighted towards Kx with a pair or some sort of marginal one pair hand like AQ/AA?

Im not really concerned with BB too much, a lot of the monster hands arent really in his range due to pf play.

Why did you decide to just call UTG's bet on the flop instead of raise? thats an autoraise for me on this board.

Re: 10/20 - I\'m not a folder, but...
 

Shove

Re: 10/20 - I\'m not a folder, but...
 

danj - why would you raise on this board?

Re: 10/20 - I\'m not a folder, but...
 

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danj - why would you raise on this board?

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for value, he raised utg, TJQ there are alot of twopairs/pairs with draws where if you raise he will just shove.

And, not really keen on calling and having guy behind us call then an A/K/9 hits on turn, thats just really retarded spot for us.

Re: 10/20 - I\'m not a folder, but...
 

if he is shoving QJ after raising preflop UTG and getting raised on a QJT board in a multi-way pot, then he is beyond retarded.

Re: 10/20 - I\'m not a folder, but...
 

ya you're right, i think calling flop is best.

Re: 10/20 - I\'m not a folder, but...
 

Mmmm probably fold. Even if PFR continues with QJ he probably doesn't have worse especialy given your tens, he's not getting it in here with KQ, you have the other guy too as a huge worry...