QTs button
 

40 commerce good game. 2 generally passive weak players, utg about 25 vpip the other about 50 limp ep. i decide to limp on the button with QTs for a change and see what happens. blinds call.

the flop is KQ5 rainbow none of my suit. utg bets, next guy calls.

i? and why?

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I would usually call and see what they do on the turn and use my position. From your description of them though I would think the bettor has you beat and maybe badly beat so I don't think folding is such a bad idea either.

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You have a pretty weak hand in this spot but you certainly have enough to call getting 7:1. UTG could have a str8 draw and the other limper can have a lot of stuff.

I'm dumping it on the turn UI and facing a bet i think.

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It really doesn't matter much, strictly neutral EV situation given the odds you are getting once you add in domination, your T outs being unclean(as you may be dominated vs KT, dead to KQ and it fills straight draws) and the lack of a running flush draw. Call here everytime with the 3-flush but without it, it may be so close that you are better off folding.

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Pretty simple muck here IMO. You never have the best hand here vs these opponents, you have no backdoor draws(minus a shady one card straight draw), and there is a chance you're drawing slim or even dead.

Unless they are the type to bet the flop, but then check top pair on the big streets(rare, but you've seen these super passives) then I fold.

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I want to say call and fold the turn if utg bets again but that feels so retarded that I almost want to suggest just folding the flop. However that feels even dumber still so I don't really know what to say.

I honestly have no idea because I've never just called here before the flop.

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Call, fold turn u/i. But you know we would all say that, so you must have had something else in mind, no?

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Passive, weak bets out, he's likely going to suggest we fold right now on the flop.

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first off i dont think it's close, i think it's clear cut. ill say what i did and why later. one thing i want to ask:

what if i could somehow correctly know i have the best hand on the flop 10% of the time against these two? how about 20% of the time?

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Depends on whether you just magically know you are ahead/behind that often or whether you know their exact cards because of the domination/T completing straight issue.