2nd pair on the river and I shove, how thin?
 

<font color="purple"> I had seen 2 hands from this player so far, one he called an UTG open from MP, when the flop came JKx, UTG checked, and he bet to take it down.

Second hand was vs me, he limped UTG, I raised to 6 from the BB, he called, flop was J64r, I bet 80% the pot and he min-raised me, I had nothing and folded.

I was running at about 18/15 at the time of this hand, and from the minimal stats I had of him, he was about 40/0/1.5

Once this river hit I really had no idea where I was at and just decided to shove it in (note my river bet puts him all in). </font>

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $79.15
BTN: $107.70
SB: $119.60
Hero (BB): $100

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6</font>, UTG calls $5

Flop: ($12.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $9</font>, UTG calls $9

Turn: ($30.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $23</font>, UTG calls $23

River: ($76.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $44</font>

Re: 2nd pair on the river and I shove, how thin?
 

What, this is too hard for you guys?

Re: 2nd pair on the river and I shove, how thin?
 

would be good if the 3 wasnt a diamond

Re: 2nd pair on the river and I shove, how thin?
 

So what, check fold?

Re: 2nd pair on the river and I shove, how thin?
 

bet like 25

Re: 2nd pair on the river and I shove, how thin?
 

I don't think QT or JT calls this. KT will. The flush will. I don't think he bluffs a hand with sd value on the river, and he'll check behind some things that are beating you. Weak bet the river for value or check/fold without more history.

Re: 2nd pair on the river and I shove, how thin?
 

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bet like 25

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But he only has 41 behind which is already less than a psb, why 25?

Re: 2nd pair on the river and I shove, how thin?
 

Looks pretty gross IMO. C/f river and hope for a showdown, players like this usually aint bluffing that flush card.

Re: 2nd pair on the river and I shove, how thin?
 

what hand range do you put villain on? seems like you will only be called by hands that beat you (flush, K9, JJ, QQ). the only value i see here is to bet so a missed straight draw doesn't bluff you off hand. but i think a smaller bet would find out the same info

Re: 2nd pair on the river and I shove, how thin?
 

dont like the river lead only getting called by hands that beats you.....I think his range is contains a lot of Fd´s/str8d+p 97,T9, and he doesnt seem to care that K hit on turn. I can see a c/f and wait for better spot to stack him...if he bets smallish on river im def looking him up..if he shoves im folding