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Ansky 11-20-2006 12:36 AM

Is 25/50 NL Rigged?
 
Nasty nasty downswing... here are some hands for BBV's pleasure and for my healing process.


Villain was unknown at the time. If this happened now, I would have folded for sure now that I know he is a nit.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (7 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

MP1 ($6728)
MP2 ($5097)
CO ($6919)
Button ($8425)
SB ($4947)
Hero ($8110)
UTG ($4950)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $166</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $1600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8110</font>, Button calls $6510.

Flop: ($16245) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: ($16245) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($16245) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $16245

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has As Kd (high card, ace).
Button has Kc Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Button wins $16245. </font>

Villain is raptor:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (4 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

BB ($16165)
UTG ($6683)
Button ($5598)
Hero ($3140)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $150</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $500</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $6683</font>, Hero calls $2640 (All-In).

Flop: ($9873) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: ($9873) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($9873) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $9873

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has As Qc (flush, ace high).
Hero has Kh Ac (straight, ace high).
Outcome: UTG wins $9873. </font>

Villain here is just a spectacular star of the poker world!
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Hero ($11288.95)
CO ($988.50)
Button ($5719)
SB ($1450)
BB ($5000)
UTG ($2724)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $200</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $200, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $150.

Flop: ($625) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $450</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $1300</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3000</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $5519</font>, Hero calls $2519.

Turn: ($11663) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($11663) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $11663

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 3c 3s (three of a kind, threes).
Button has 9d Jc (straight, king high).
Outcome: Button wins $11663. </font>

meh:(UB hhs wont convert now?)
Hand #35085524-20470 at Oshkosh (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 11/Oct/06 03:08:57

ansky451 is at seat 1 with $11313.
Batera is at seat 2 with $6437.
maxEmus125 is at seat 3 with $7786.50.
aBnarf is at seat 5 with $7262.
The button is at seat 1.

Batera posts the small blind of $25.
maxEmus125 posts the big blind of $50.

ansky451: 2s 3s
Batera: -- --
maxEmus125: -- --
aBnarf: -- --

Pre-flop:

aBnarf folds. ansky451 raises to $175. Batera
folds. maxEmus125 calls.

Flop (board: Ts Qd 8h):

maxEmus125 checks. ansky451 bets $300. maxEmus125
calls.

Turn (board: Ts Qd 8h As):

maxEmus125 bets $600. ansky451 calls.

River (board: Ts Qd 8h As 7s):

maxEmus125 bets $1200. ansky451 goes all-in for
$10238. maxEmus125 goes all-in for $6711.50.
ansky451 is returned $3526.50 (uncalled).



Showdown:

ansky451 shows 2s 3s.
ansky451 has 2s 3s Ts As 7s: flush, ace high.
maxEmus125 shows Ks Js.
maxEmus125 has Ks Js Ts As 7s: flush, ace/king high.


Hand #35085524-20470 Summary:

$2 is raked from a pot of $15598.
maxEmus125 wins $15596 with flush, ace high.
----------------------------------------------------------------

Villain squeezes super light, and likely has a very wide range:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (5 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Hero ($4575)
SB ($4950)
BB ($9954)
UTG ($9449.50)
MP ($6608)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $200</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $200, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $800</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $600, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4575</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $4950</font>, UTG folds.

Flop: ($10375) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: ($10375) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($10375) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $10375

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has Kd Ah (two pair, kings and eights).
Hero has 4s 4h (two pair, eights and fours).
Outcome: SB wins $10375. </font>

oops:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (2 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Button ($13136)
Hero ($5025)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Button posts a blind of $50.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $150</font>, Button (poster) calls $100.

Flop: ($300) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $650</font>, Hero calls $450.

Turn: ($1600) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $1400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4225</font>, Button calls $2825.

River: ($10050) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $10050

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Button has 9d 9c (three of a kind, nines).
Hero has Kh Qs (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Button wins $10050. </font>


Villain here was Piejay, total LAGbomb fish.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (4 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Hero ($5074)
Button ($1900.50)
SB ($10778.50)
BB ($9447)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $200</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $150.

Flop: ($425) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $600</font>, Hero calls $300.

Turn: ($1625) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($1625) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2450</font>, BB calls $1850.

Final Pot: $6525

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 7s 9s (flush, ace high).
BB has Js 5s (flush, ace high).
Outcome: BB wins $6525. </font>

This one was just great!
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (5 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

MP ($6134)
Hero ($5919)
SB ($6421)
BB ($2550)
UTG ($5781.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $700</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls $500.

Flop: ($1475) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1150</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5219</font>, MP calls $2919.

Turn: ($11913) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($11913) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $11913
Oh yeah villain had JJ ^. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Standard:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (4 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Hero ($8116)
BB ($3073)
UTG ($1147)
Button ($5100)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $200</font>, BB calls $150.

Flop: ($400) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $750</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7916</font>, BB calls $2123 (All-In).

Turn: ($11189) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($11189) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $11189

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ac Qc (one pair, queens).
BB has Ad 9d (flush, ace high).
Outcome: BB wins $6146. </font>

Well sf draws are cool cause you still have 1 out if they have a boat! oh, he had a boat...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

UTG ($498)
MP ($4950)
CO ($4685.50)
Hero ($11835)
SB ($7951)
BB ($850)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $200</font>, CO calls $200, Hero calls $200, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($675) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $1200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $11635</font>, MP folds, CO calls $3285.50 (All-In).

Turn: ($17195.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($17195.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $17195.50

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
CO has 7s 7c (full house, sevens full of fours).
Hero has 6d 8d (flush, king high).
Outcome: CO wins $10046. </font>


Villain is ggbman:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (5 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Hero ($5298)
UTG ($6121)
MP ($2673)
Button ($5631.65)
SB ($4950)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $200</font>, MP calls $200, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $150.

Flop: ($625) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $500</font>, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1750</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $5921</font>, Hero calls $3348 (All-In).

Turn: ($11644) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($11644) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $11644

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 6d 6h (two pair, sixes and threes).
UTG has 7c 6c (straight, seven high).
Outcome: UTG wins $11644. </font>

Villain in this hand is an absolute LAGtard idiot, but still I think I should have folded...
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (4 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

SB ($3025)
BB ($11143.50)
UTG ($5078)
Hero ($10109)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $150</font>, Hero calls $150, SB calls $125, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($500) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $250</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $800</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $4928</font>, Hero calls $4128.

Turn: ($10356) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($10356) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $10356

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has Jh Kd (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero has Jc Qd (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: UTG wins $10356. </font>

This wasn't really interesting, HSNL thought my play was good.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (3 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Button ($7646)
Hero ($6223)
BB ($8523)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $150</font>, BB calls $100.

Flop: ($300) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $650</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2000</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $8373</font>, Hero calls $4073 (All-In).

Turn: ($14746) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($14746) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $14746

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qd Qh (one pair, queens).
BB has Js 7s (two pair, jacks and sevens).
Outcome: BB wins $14746. </font>

I definitely have been playing very poor by my standards, but I also have been running like [censored] at 50.

Anyways, a graph is coming.

McShove 11-20-2006 12:38 AM

Re: Is 25/50 NL Rigged?
 
ansky, tl;dr.

But I can confirm that yes, 25/50 is indeed rigged.

alphatmw 11-20-2006 12:40 AM

Re: Is 25/50 NL Rigged?
 
obviously its rigged, the secret is finding out how to use that rigging to your advantage like all your opponents did.

PerDoom 11-20-2006 12:41 AM

Re: Is 25/50 NL Rigged?
 
Graph please

creative 11-20-2006 12:41 AM

Re: Is 25/50 NL Rigged?
 
thats alot of money to lose ;x

Gugel 11-20-2006 12:45 AM

Re: Is 25/50 NL Rigged?
 
don't cry for me....argentina....
the truth is, i never left youuuuu

joyofpoker 11-20-2006 12:46 AM

Re: Is 25/50 NL Rigged?
 
tl;dr. But to answer your title question...

I firmly believe that NL25 is rigged, the money just shuffled around, to even out the playing field. This is so that players don't go broke quickly and leave online poker for good.

NL50 isn't rigged in my experience.

I'm sorry that you are playing so low. I knew that you used to play way higher. Keep a stiff upper lip. You'll be up to NL200 quickly, as I'm sure you are a good enough player for a decent winrate up there.

joy

FULL RAKE 11-20-2006 12:48 AM

Re: Is 25/50 NL Rigged?
 
at least you got your money in good...

Ansky 11-20-2006 12:49 AM

Re: Is 25/50 NL Rigged?
 
[ QUOTE ]
at least you got your money in good...

[/ QUOTE ]

sometimes...

FULL RAKE 11-20-2006 12:53 AM

Re: Is 25/50 NL Rigged?
 
LOL YOUR AVATAR IS A GAY PRIEST AND YOU. LOLOL AND THERE'S A HEART. also i made it.


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