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slicer65 05-01-2007 07:02 AM

blind steal/blind defense.
 
THis is why I hate blind steals/defense.

How are you supposed to kow when you are ahead/behind? When you should fold? Seems like a huge risk of large swings for most likely a small pot. To be profitable you have to be right more than 50% of the time. Tell me what I am missing.

PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
[color=#666666]7 folds</font>, [color=#CC3333]Button raises</font>, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets</font>, [color=#CC3333]Button raises</font>, [color=#CC3333]Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (7.25 BB) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Button has k5o

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Albino Lobster 05-01-2007 07:30 AM

Re: blind steal/blind defense.
 
Okay, I'm fairly new so take what I say with a grain of salt.

First off, you aren't going to be defending/stealing in mirco limit. What is the saying... "You can't bluff the unbluffable."

Secondly, you totally whiff on the flop. You can't bet into him here (let alone 3-bet) since you are behind PF. I think this flop is a straight forward check/fold.

jezmond 05-01-2007 07:37 AM

Re: blind steal/blind defense.
 
Don't bother defending with A4o, you're dominated by so many hands and have no position. Either 3 bet if you think he's stealing or dump it, otherwise you're just fishing.

slicer65 05-01-2007 07:38 AM

Re: blind steal/blind defense.
 
He stole my blinds 4 times in a row.

jezmond 05-01-2007 07:40 AM

Re: blind steal/blind defense.
 
3bet preflop

jezmond 05-01-2007 07:48 AM

Re: blind steal/blind defense.
 
Here's the reasoning, if you 3bet him preflop he's likely to fold with that hand, if he doesn't, you can cbet the flop and give it up he calls again. You're more likely to push him off this way both pre and postflop.

If he comes over you preflop, he probably has you dominated or is a complete donk, in which case you'll catch him later.

kerowo 05-01-2007 07:50 AM

Re: blind steal/blind defense.
 
There are two standard lines when defending your blinds;
1. Call pre-flop, c/r any flop (within reason, but you aren't looking for a reason not to c/r).
2. 3-bet pre-flop lead any flop (again, within reason). This should be the only way you defend from the SB because you don't want the BB to come along.

If either of these lines get to the turn you'll have to play a little poker. In this hand putting any money in the pot on the river with ace high isn't a very good idea. The only hands you are ahead of are Qx and you split or lose to Ax hands. The last thing you want to do is turn BD into a pissing contest where you mistake aggression for cards. Oh, and they aren't stealing as much as you think they are so don't think you have to defend every crap hand you have in the blinds.

Riku 05-01-2007 08:11 AM

Re: blind steal/blind defense.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Oh, and they aren't stealing as much as you think they are so don't think you have to defend every crap hand you have in the blinds.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is so true, especially at that limit.

aK13 05-01-2007 04:21 PM

Re: blind steal/blind defense.
 
Not a good hand to defend with.

Not a good flop to mess with. Those cards hit his range way too often.

train. 05-01-2007 04:56 PM

Re: blind steal/blind defense.
 
goddammit son, this aint a blind defence, this is a blind gone crazy. you didn't hit [censored] and still just fire away with abandon. Did you learn this from watchin my HU matches? Back off a little there bro. Ace hi is the nutz but geez.

If this is some kind of a joke post, then nh.


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