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betgo 10-24-2007 05:22 PM

AKo in BB after limp and raise.
 
This is not my hand; I will proceed in stages. $50 MTT, blinds 25/50. UTG with 4500 limps, UTG+1 with 9700 raises to 250. You have 4700 in BB. What do you do?

Dunkman 10-24-2007 05:29 PM

Re: AKo in BB after limp and raise.
 
I may just call, raising to 1k then folding to or calling a shove both seem to kinda suck.

ZenMusician 10-24-2007 05:29 PM

Re: AKo in BB after limp and raise.
 
I don't want to CC and play OOP [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Readless, I want to narrow down UTG+1s range right now.

I raise to ~750, and would throw something when he pushes.

-ZEN

gobucks27 10-24-2007 05:41 PM

Re: AKo in BB after limp and raise.
 
I guess an argument can be made for making a pot-sized reraise and hopefully end the hand now since you will be OOP..if initial raiser shoves then i guess do some math and figure out if it's worth the call given no reads...

I find myself calling in spots like this too much and being lost when the flop comes 3 unders...guess it's better to define your hand sooner than later..

Dunkman 10-24-2007 05:45 PM

Re: AKo in BB after limp and raise.
 
Why would you be lost in a likely 3 way pot when you have A high...you can c/f with AK sometimes it's ok.

bucktotal 10-24-2007 06:03 PM

Re: AKo in BB after limp and raise.
 
if i had NO reads on either player... as implied in the OP,

i'd just call.

i have no qualms c/fing if i miss with ~80bbs behind if the pot is 3-way and there's significant action on the flop.

if there was any hint of a read that UTG limps weak hands/plays a lot of pots, or UTG+1 is bad/etc... i like the iso raise. i'd probably make it t700. with our stack size, there is no reason to bloat the pot more than that i think.

betgo 10-24-2007 06:23 PM

Re: AKo in BB after limp and raise.
 
OK, hero actually reraises to 1000. What do you think of the raise size? UTG folds and UTG+1 calls.

There is 2075 in the pot and you have 3700 behind. The flop is 876 with a 2-flush, giving you a backdoor flush draw. What do you do?

Dunkman 10-24-2007 06:29 PM

Re: AKo in BB after limp and raise.
 
Stack size had quite a bit to do with why I didn't want to raise. Now we did and we're in a [censored] spot. Nothing we do is good here, I mean what's his range, maybe AQ and a bunch of pairs? I'm not even sure we're getting the right price on a cbet, honestly I don't think a c/f is terrible here. Actually, I think c/f is the only play, he's not folding any pair in his range on this board, so we're betting to try and keep AK and AQ from bluffing us out? I think the best thing to do is give up before we manage to blow an 80 BB stack with A high.

hamnegger 10-24-2007 06:31 PM

Re: AKo in BB after limp and raise.
 
thats what sux about repop but not committing you have no position. this board stinks. if you bet weak hes calling if you bet strong you are really spewing and putting in too big %of stack. we are deep stacks here. i hate the reraiase. ITS A DRAWING HAND. call and see the flop. now if i had 2500 or less i play it more aggro repopping to 1000 then shoving the flop.

BarryLyndon 10-24-2007 06:37 PM

Re: AKo in BB after limp and raise.
 
Call, because if you get flat called it sucks, stacks aren't optimal for a go-n-go, check folding sucks, A/K hits, that's going to suck too because what value are you getting, blah blah blah.

Easy check/fold on this flop because I cannot IMAGINE what villain can possibly call your RR with and then fold. It's so blah.


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