Re: JTs river spot in biggish pot
 

With KJ on the board, what hand that you beat is he going to keep pounding with? Not TT or AQ. The pf cap clinches it -- AK or premium pockets.

I also fold pf.

Re: JTs river spot in biggish pot
 

Just wanna add that PF is more complicated than just a stove

If Co caps hero needs 30% eq

If Co calls hero needs 22.2% eq.

However hero has quite a lot of reverse implied folding eq here. Consider eg when SB has 66 and CO has 89 and flop comes AA2. SB c-bets hero folds a bunch of eq.

Good implied odds tho with a hand that plays well 3-handed

Re: JTs river spot in biggish pot
 

fwiw I fold preflop too. As played I also fold the rivah.

Re: JTs river spot in biggish pot
 

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Not an easy call IMO. Put the TAG OTB and its easy.

I still call here.

@ Shane
Those stoves are way way of. TAGs and LAGTAGs in the 5/10 on stars dont defend SB with 99+, AJs+, AQo+.


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.429% 30.93% 01.50% 28359229382 1377867864.33 { 22+, A2s+, K5s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A5o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1: 38.615% 37.14% 01.48% 34053005853 1357120885.83 { 55+, A6s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, A9o+, KTo+, QJo }
Hand 2: 28.956% 27.88% 01.08% 25566032328 986074024.83 { JcTc }


@ Apanage

On the contrary. You have great relative position to protect your hand when you flop good. TAG OTB is folding quite a lot when you face him with 2 bets buying you the button.

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On the other hand the TAG:s range preflop is not that wide.
I have to respect your opinion since this is a 10/20 hand and I don´t play above 5/10.
I would have never consider cold calling two preflop.
But that is maybe just a sign of my weak tight play and a proof of my variance hate.

Re: JTs river spot in biggish pot
 

The ranges I used are on the loose side. Mostly to illustrate another scenario compared to Shanes which were unrealistically tight IMO

This is another spot where TAGs fold too much IMO

Re: JTs river spot in biggish pot
 

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I don't think he has - nor takes this line with - TT or AQ often enough to call here and AT or pocket pair <= 88 are even more unlikely.

Fold.

Then again the pot is so big that I think we cannot be too confident when folding. This is way above the level I play so maybe I'm being a weakling here.

Re: JTs river spot in biggish pot
 

I fold here. I think the rivers a fold vs pretty much anyone, we have to discount worse hands a ton when he bets into 2 on the turn (AQ or TT) and value bets the river here (TT discounted again plus you have a T).

Re: JTs river spot in biggish pot
 

If action goes like this, but CO doesnt cap pf, is this still a fold?

Re: JTs river spot in biggish pot
 

I was actually CO in this hand, and it is the same hand I posted earlier where I barreled off with AQ:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=2#Post13134311

I put a large part of BB's range as pair + straight draw, and it seemed reasonable, given the size of the pot, that he could find a fold often enough for my river bet to be good. Your responses in this thread seem to confirm that. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: JTs river spot in biggish pot
 

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I was actually CO in this hand, and it is the same hand I posted earlier where I barreled off with AQ:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=2#Post13134311

I put a large part of BB's range as pair + straight draw, and it seemed reasonable, given the size of the pot, that he could find a fold often enough for my river bet to be good. Your responses in this thread seem to confirm that. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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So basically people have told you to not barrel of in the AQ hand cuz no one folds a pair and to fold in the JT hand cuz no one 3-barrels AQ...

I am so glad I voted for calling [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]