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Irish Mafia 09-19-2007 02:18 PM

5-10 trips on river, I check and he overbet pushes
 
villain is Snappo on FT. He's a decent reg, who plays TAG. I know he posts on here - but no special reads, but he's obviously capable of floating/making moves.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $5/$10 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $929.90
BB: $3,072.00
Hero (UTG): $1,076.00
MP: $1,000.00
CO: $1,336.00
BTN: $979.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $35.00</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $35.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($85) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $60.00</font>, BTN calls $60.00

Turn: ($205) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $165.00</font>, BTN calls $165.00

River: ($535) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets all-in for $719.00</font>, Hero ???

Anyone prefer a river lead?

Pasterbator 09-19-2007 02:25 PM

Re: 5-10 trips on river, I check and he overbet pushes
 
i def prefer leading.

I actually dont see any reason at all to check...

But now that you did, you have trips. Call.

David1234 09-19-2007 02:25 PM

Re: 5-10 trips on river, I check and he overbet pushes
 
he probably puts you on a king

MDMA 09-19-2007 02:36 PM

Re: 5-10 trips on river, I check and he overbet pushes
 
I have no idea of what you are doing with these turn/river actions.

Irish Mafia 09-19-2007 02:36 PM

Re: 5-10 trips on river, I check and he overbet pushes
 
Ya, in hindsight there is absolutely no reason to check the river. But be that as it may - what do you put HIM on?

Irish Mafia 09-19-2007 02:39 PM

Re: 5-10 trips on river, I check and he overbet pushes
 
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I have no idea of what you are doing with these turn/river actions.

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Neither do I. I try to play perfectly at all times, but sadly I am only human.

In reality, i'm betting turn for a few reasons: 1) value; 2) mix it up; 3) pretty sure he loves to float me - he constantly thinks i'm full of [censored]. I agree the river check is dreadful. Do you think the turn is a mandatory check?

Pasterbator 09-19-2007 02:39 PM

Re: 5-10 trips on river, I check and he overbet pushes
 
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I have no idea of what you are doing with these turn/river actions.

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yea, i didnt even process the turn action.

I would check the flop a lot.

I would check the turn always.

I would check the river never.

Pasterbator 09-19-2007 02:41 PM

Re: 5-10 trips on river, I check and he overbet pushes
 
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In reality, i'm betting turn for a few reasons: 1) value; 2) mix it up; 3) pretty sure he loves to float me - he constantly thinks i'm full of [censored]. I agree the river check is dreadful. Do you think the turn is a mandatory check?

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1) value: you think hes gonna call you with 99??
2) mix it up: a fancy way of people saying "im not sure"
3) he loves to float: so all your doing is letting him get away cheaply. If he loves to float, the turn is such an easy c/c.

Irish Mafia 09-19-2007 02:45 PM

Re: 5-10 trips on river, I check and he overbet pushes
 
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In reality, i'm betting turn for a few reasons: 1) value; 2) mix it up; 3) pretty sure he loves to float me - he constantly thinks i'm full of [censored]. I agree the river check is dreadful. Do you think the turn is a mandatory check?

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1) value: you think hes gonna call you with 99??
2) mix it up: a fancy way of people saying "im not sure"
3) he loves to float: so all your doing is letting him get away cheaply. If he loves to float, the turn is such an easy c/c.

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Well to be perfectly honest, yes I do think he will call my turn bet w/ 99 a good amount of the time. He kind of abhors folding - and I'm quite certain views me as an aggro monkey. I also think he could call sometimes w/ straight or flush draws - planning to bluff rivers.

"Mix it up" - you are right. It is BS somewhat. But i don't think you can play your hands the same way everytime. Maybe i'm off, but if villains know that you will cbet mid pair on the flop and check it on every turn (instead of firing again) - then your play becomes quite exploitable.

Christophers 09-19-2007 02:46 PM

Re: 5-10 trips on river, I check and he overbet pushes
 
Blah, I was gonna make a little numbered post dismissing all those points too, but Paster got there first.


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