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mrroyboy 11-26-2007 04:37 PM

\"Nut Peddling\"? PLO/8
 
I see this term used frequently. What exactly do you mean by this? Isn't the objective of omaha/8 to play for the nuts? Do you mean only betting when you actually have the nuts and not on draws? Would like to know your opinions. Thanks [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

davebreal 11-26-2007 04:43 PM

Re: \"Nut Peddling\"? PLO/8
 
http://www.tornranch.com/image/pimag...L_nut-trio.jpg
http://www-csl.csres.utexas.edu/gps/.../plus_sign.jpg
http://www.antiqueradio.com/images/Jul99-Pedal-3.jpg

let me know if there are any further questions

liquid 11-26-2007 05:08 PM

Re: \"Nut Peddling\"? PLO/8
 
that plus looks asymmetric

(more of an observation than a question)

franknagaijr 11-26-2007 05:15 PM

Re: \"Nut Peddling\"? PLO/8
 
On the odd chance that this is a real question, 'nut-peddlars' generally refers to players who are very patient and do not play speculative starter hands, and will almost never be seen at showdown getting at least half the pot, but more often 3/4 or a scoop. As you identify these peddlars, you can figure out who can be bluffed out on flops that wouldn't work out well for A2xx hands.

zizazziza 11-26-2007 07:44 PM

Re: \"Nut Peddling\"? PLO/8
 
nut peddling is also the most boring thing to do in the world. Its like working a real job, but knowing that your peddling nuts. I suggest 10-16 tables if you wish to do this. back in the golden age of PP, this was very easy AND VERY PROFITABLE. But these days, it still works, not as many tables and is so [censored] boring as stated before

Buzz 11-26-2007 08:09 PM

Re: \"Nut Peddling\"? PLO/8
 
[ QUOTE ]
Its like working a real job

[/ QUOTE ]Worse.
Buzz

mrroyboy 11-27-2007 04:26 PM

Re: \"Nut Peddling\"? PLO/8
 
This is a real question. It appears to me that "nut peddling" as you guys call it is simply proper play for PLO/8.Especially low buy-in games. Am I wrong?

MegaDisgruntled 11-27-2007 05:08 PM

Re: \"Nut Peddling\"? PLO/8
 
Call me a nut peddler or a supernit. It's all about the Benjamins, not how you get them.

MEGA

Buzz 11-27-2007 08:30 PM

Re: \"Nut Peddling\"? PLO/8
 
Mr. Roy Boy - There are several successful styles for playing Omaha-8.

"Nut peddling" is one of them and probably the easiest to understand.

In the purest sense, a nut peddler <ul type="square">• (1) only plays starting hands that have an excellent chance to end up containing the best possible two-card combination on the river,
• (2) folds all other starting hands before the flop,
• (3) continues after the flop only with hands containing a two card combination that is likely to end up the best possible two-card combination on the river,
• (4) bets or raises with the nuts, and
• (5) folds to a bet without them.[/list]We all peddle the nuts when we get them, but those of us who are not nut peddlers don't necessarily fold without them.

Typically when a nut peddler voluntarily sees the flop, it is with<ul type="square">• A2YZ
• A3YZ-suited ace, and or
• AAYZ[/list]Playing those hands alone, and maybe a few others (KKQQ, KKA4, AHHH), you're voluntarily playing roughly only one of every ten hands dealt to you. And then you get your money in when you have the nuts.

Basically, that is nut peddling.

The problem with nut peddling is when you only play one hand out of ten, your astute opponents only need one round of the table to recognize what you are doing and tentatively put you on one of the three hand types listed above whenever you enter the action.

Everybody is going to play those three hand types listed above. But if someone is voluntarily playing three hands out of ten, then he only has one of those hands about one third of the time. It's much more difficult to put someone on cards who is voluntarily seeing the flop with 30% of hands dealt than someone who is voluntarily seeing the flop with 10% of hands dealt.

[ QUOTE ]
It appears to me that "nut peddling" as you guys call it is simply proper play for PLO/8.

[/ QUOTE ]In my humble opinion, you should be able to successfully nut pedal. I consider nut peddling a developmental stage. Sometimes I revert to it as a way of switching gears. I think almost anyone could eke out a small profit doing it.

However, it’s not the optimal way to play the game if your opponents are able to cope with it. Nut peddling, as you might expect, is very common in casinos. And anyone who plays much in a casino is able to cope with nut peddling opponents. Even so, good nut peddlers will still eke out a small, steady profit.

And you should definitely be able to successfully nut pedal.

But (except as part of a changing gears strategy) what a boring way to play the game! And if many at the table nut pedal, much like short stacking, it kills the game.

Buzz

spike420211 11-27-2007 09:08 PM

Re: \"Nut Peddling\"? PLO/8
 
roy---
boring or not, this kind of play comes in handy in:
1&gt; the first couple of orbits in a cash game w/ folks u
never played before [especially if you're moving up in
limits]
2&gt; very early stages of an mtt [same criteria as #1 applies
3&gt; very late stages of an mtt or an sng when you've got a
short stack

and most importantly:
4&gt; using that device under the plus sign, so you can charge
your laptop batteries just like Dave Breal [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]


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