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Herrigel 09-26-2007 11:42 AM

NL 1/2 - Turned Nutz - trap or push?
 
Villain is a 17/13/3 Reg., not much of a history...

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $559.44
BB: $180.52
UTG: $249.45
MP: $200.00
Hero (CO): $202.55
BTN: $199.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $7.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24.00</font>, 3 folds, MP calls $17.00

Flop: ($51) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($51) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $40.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero...

Nielsio 09-26-2007 11:44 AM

Re: NL 1/2 - Turned Nutz - trap or push?
 
Bet the flop. Raise the turn.

Herrigel 09-26-2007 11:47 AM

Re: NL 1/2 - Turned Nutz - trap or push?
 
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Bet the flop. Raise the turn.

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Why do you need to bet this flop 100% [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
I am mixing this up.

cjp010 09-26-2007 11:49 AM

Re: NL 1/2 - Turned Nutz - trap or push?
 
Iffy on C-betting it, I would because im too aggressive for my own good, but the turn is easily a raise and just hope to god hes got QJ QT or K9 or somethin donkish and pays you. His PF call makes me wanna think hes got QK QJ atleast or hese a super donk so you should be making some decent money here.

Hince 09-26-2007 11:52 AM

Re: NL 1/2 - Turned Nutz - trap or push?
 
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Bet the flop. Raise the turn.

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Why do you need to bet this flop 100% [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
I am mixing this up.

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It's favorable for our range, and we aren't likely to get bluff raised here, or called by much less than a Q. We can also probably take a free card if called and we miss the turn.

Definately raise that turn. I highly doubt he fires the river with anything that doesn't call a raise on this turn.

Gorgi24 09-26-2007 12:17 PM

Re: NL 1/2 - Turned Nutz - trap or push?
 
I would just call the turn and raise the river... he will have to pay you off if he bets the river... If you raise the turn and he doesn't hav emuch of a hand he will fold..

Herrigel 09-26-2007 12:30 PM

Re: NL 1/2 - Turned Nutz - trap or push?
 
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Bet the flop. Raise the turn.

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Why do you need to bet this flop 100% [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
I am mixing this up.

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It's favorable for our range, and we aren't likely to get bluff raised here, or called by much less than a Q...

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My thought was, that this flop hits his range pretty hard.
He is a tight player, calling a RR oop. So a reasonable range for him would be like TT+/AQ+, of which the only hands we fold out that beat us are likely JJ/AK.
In addition I don't think we get bluffed too often on turn, as I may very well have a strong hand on this flop and still check behind.
This Flop is as dry as can be for his range.

POW9199 09-26-2007 12:31 PM

Re: NL 1/2 - Turned Nutz - trap or push?
 
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Bet the flop. Raise the turn.

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Why do you need to bet this flop 100% [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
I am mixing this up.

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It's favorable for our range, and we aren't likely to get bluff raised here, or called by much less than a Q. We can also probably take a free card if called and we miss the turn.

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Also, i feel checking that flop, is more a sign of strenth, than weakness. Checking after an OOP preflop reraise, is more often a flopped top set, even when checking in position.

His turn bet is an easy raise, it seems to me he hit hard, and could easily have been planning for a checkraise on flop. I raise him to 95, comitting him to the pot. If he's bluffing, he is probably shutting down after just one call, so raise is by far the better solution.

Also, regarding a flop c-bet, i would do this all day long, as the flop doesn't hit you that hard and with your reraise, having taken over initiative in the hand, you usualy fold out small pairs and many other hands that actually beat AK. Had you been deep, i could make a case for checking the flop, but as said before, it narrows your range and makes hero calls easier (nuts or air). The idea of checking, is ofcourse to let him hit his 2nd pair/set vs your nuts and hope he cannot let the hand down, as most players would c-bet that flop w AK.

HoldEmNewby 09-26-2007 01:39 PM

Re: NL 1/2 - Turned Nutz - trap or push?
 
Hand seems kind of straight forward: You checked flop because you felt the flop really hit villains range, you hit your draw on the turn. We want villains stack he has $136 left there is $91 in the pot and its $40 to us to call. If we call pot will be only $121 and it'll be difficult to get villains remaining $136. I'd raise it small to say $100, he'll have a tough time folding the river for $76 more into a $251 pot - and may just push over your turn bet.

ryang 09-26-2007 07:18 PM

Re: NL 1/2 - Turned Nutz - trap or push?
 
call turn, get it in on river, you could be calling this turn with all sorts of draws


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