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POW9199 11-26-2007 05:22 PM

QQ in 4 bet pot 100nl deep
 
Hey everyone...

Following hand takes place after around 300 hands, villain is 45-34-2.94

My stats for the session are 47-42-4

My read says he wont 4 bet unless he has AK+, however, i have been playing very aggressively, as he plays rather passive (calling station) so i also know that he will get fed of me 3 betting him constantly sooner rather than later.

Regarding the flop play, i know he knows, i am able to make plays for the pot with no hand and no draw, if i feel he is weak.



** Game ID 1728591019 starting - 2007-11-21 00:18:40
** Mantua [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- villain sitting in seat 1 with $231.05 [Dealer]
- POW9199 sitting in seat 2 with $197.93

villain posted the small blind - $0.50
POW9199 posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to POW9199: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
villain raised - $3.50
POW9199 raised - $14.00
villain raised - $45.50
POW9199 called - $45.50
** Dealing the flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
POW9199 checked
villain bet - $40.14
POW9199 went all-in - $153.43

How often do i get value from a weaker hand, should he have AA-KK-JJ, then do i ever get away from the hand?
Is my flop play ok, as i know his 4 bet range have been tight so far (but expecting him to open up) do i donk-bet the flop and call/fold?

916greatest 11-26-2007 05:48 PM

Re: QQ in 4 bet pot 100nl deep
 
I'm pretty sure you played it correct. With that board I think you have to go broke. Kind of a tough spot. I probably say he's 4 bettng with ak aq maybe jj 10 10. You beat 3 out of 4 of those hands. Hu overpair to queens is about 1/10 of a %. Its plausible but not likley. I say you played it good/standard. What did he end up having?

Majik 11-26-2007 07:33 PM

Re: QQ in 4 bet pot 100nl deep
 
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Hu overpair to queens is about 1/10 of a %. Its plausible but not likley.

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What?

916greatest 11-26-2007 07:40 PM

Re: QQ in 4 bet pot 100nl deep
 
its like 00.1 percent of higher pp hu

Majik 11-26-2007 07:50 PM

Re: QQ in 4 bet pot 100nl deep
 
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its like 00.1 percent of higher pp hu

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Right.. But first off it's about 1% chance that when you get dealt queens that your opp has an overpair.

And what the odds are that an overpair is dealt doesn't really matter, what matters is his 4-betting range. Due to the action we can narrow his range down a lot so it's not 1% chance that he has KK or AA here.

emKay 11-26-2007 10:12 PM

Re: QQ in 4 bet pot 100nl deep
 
At first you cannot call the 4bet pf when you're not willing to get it in on that flop. It should only be a matter of how to get it in. Simply checkraising all in isn't bad I think, however given your image I like to give villain the opportunity to rebluff you with his AK, either by donking or by mincheckraising. You should have a read that he is getting annoyed by you in order to do that. And if you suspect he may call with AK, of course just crai.

ghettointlectual 11-26-2007 10:17 PM

Re: QQ in 4 bet pot 100nl deep
 
I would recommend pushing, IF his hand is AQ+ JJ+ you are small favorite
IF it is just AK+ and JJ+ you are a small dog but it is not -EV because of the money already in the pot

SO push and avoid these tough decisions


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