4/8 2 Pair hand, OOP, Live
 

4/8 Live, Hollywood Park.

This is my first hand, I'm coming in in the big blind.

Hero is in the BB with J7o

4 limpers, SB completes, hero checks.

(6 SB)

FLOP: J 7 4 r

SB checks, Hero bets, 3 callers, 2 folds.

(10 SB)

TURN: 4

Hero bets, Fat older lady RAISES, all fold to hero who???


AB

Re: 4/8 2 Pair hand, OOP, Live
 

Calls down.

Re: 4/8 2 Pair hand, OOP, Live
 

i calldown only because she's fat and old making her very unhappy with life and thus more apt to raise the turn often enough with a hand worse than ours. if i hit a Jack or 7 i go to war.

Re: 4/8 2 Pair hand, OOP, Live
 

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if i hit a Jack or 7 i go to war.

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Really?

Re: 4/8 2 Pair hand, OOP, Live
 

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i calldown only because she's fat and old making her very unhappy with life and thus more apt to raise the turn often enough with a hand worse than ours. if i hit a Jack or 7 i go to war.

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Fat old ladies don't strike me as the type who get out of line very often. Old ladies are the passive sort who sometimes limp preflop and check and call down with an overpair as I bet TPTK.

A fat middle-aged woman is more likely to raise the turn with a worse hand than a fat old woman in my experience. I should probably start there before I get into correlations between race and playing style.

That being said, I call down.

Re: 4/8 2 Pair hand, OOP, Live
 

Well, I guess she was 50ish.

Bleh, I called down, donkey that I am, and she of course had 64o.

The thing is, I'm thinking this is a leak of mine - I pretty much *knew* she had a 4 - are my 4 outs really enough to call? And if I call here, do I really check/call this river UI?

I'm really starting to think I should avoid calling down these games with less than a set.


AB

Re: 4/8 2 Pair hand, OOP, Live
 

i share this leak, and i cant tell you how much money i MAKE in these games because of it.
imho you have to call down the first time, then next time you can be sure. I've been suprised by people's play so many times i think a call down is justified, esp since you do have some outs.

brian

Re: 4/8 2 Pair hand, OOP, Live
 

This is a live game, just call down.

Re: 4/8 2 Pair hand, OOP, Live
 

I agree that callng down is best here.

Had a sim hadn the other day with AQo where I floppped 2 pair with a 5 out as well on the board, I lead out SB calls as well as several others, SB leads into me when another 5 hits on the turn nad I just call down. He of course had A5o and won but we are good here enough with live players to justify calls most of the time unless it is an awfully solid read of someone or have played with. At least we usually have outs with our 2 pair hands cause there is usually enough money in the pot to continue to try and boat up.

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This is a live game, just call down.

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Wow - okay - I did indeed call down, but I have been concerned that I'm leaking here.

Thanks Joe, and the rest of you, for your comments.

AB