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BigRounder9 06-03-2007 06:18 AM

AQ line check
 
Villain is a bit loose, but not overly aggressive.

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets</font>, 8 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)

Is check/calling to the river an option here or should I bet out and fold to a raise?

ProfessorBen 06-03-2007 06:46 AM

Re: AQ line check
 
Check-raise flop. Call down to a 3-bet unless board gets sloppy or you have a more specific read.

BigRounder9 06-03-2007 07:24 AM

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Check-raise flop.

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That does not make sense: I'm either way ahead or way behind. If I'm ahead, a check-raise might scare him away, if I'm behind I'm just throwing money in his pot.

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Call down to a 3-bet unless board gets sloppy or you have a more specific read.

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Sorry, but if a player makes it three bets pre-flop, then three bets post-flop on a dry board, calling him down with a pair of queens is a chip-spew.

HoneyBadger 06-03-2007 07:56 AM

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Check-raise flop.

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That does not make sense: I'm either way ahead or way behind. If I'm ahead, a check-raise might scare him away, if I'm behind I'm just throwing money in his pot.

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Call down to a 3-bet unless board gets sloppy or you have a more specific read.

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Sorry, but if a player makes it three bets pre-flop, then three bets post-flop on a dry board, calling him down with a pair of queens is a chip-spew.

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That's why it's so cool to 3-bet here with JJ [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Something I often do just to check if you really have that queen.

Also, you might check-raise a ghutshot here, and he will call a check-raise with AK. I like it. But that's just me.

NevadaKaz 06-03-2007 12:04 PM

Re: AQ line check
 
I think you have to lead out on the flop, check/call down to flop aggression.
I dont like going for the c/r on flop, as if villain is not overly aggressive he may check behind with JJ or AK.

Sucks to check and get outdrawn by AK.

schnukums 06-03-2007 12:33 PM

Re: AQ line check
 
Bet/call the flop. If you check and he bets you still have no idea where your at because he's betting any hand he's willing to three bet with preflop.

StrictlyStrategy 06-03-2007 12:53 PM

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Check-raise flop.

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That does not make sense: I'm either way ahead or way behind.

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uh

no

BigRounder9 06-03-2007 12:56 PM

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Check-raise flop.

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That does not make sense: I'm either way ahead or way behind.

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uh

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Wanna elaborate on that?

StrictlyStrategy 06-03-2007 01:31 PM

Re: AQ line check
 
AKs

Board: Qh 5c Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 68.687% 68.08% 00.61% 674 6.00 { AdQc }
Hand 1: 31.313% 30.71% 00.61% 304 6.00 { AsKs }


If he's loose he's probably more capable of 3betting KJ and AJ than you think.

Point is board is draw heavy and there's a good chance villain has 3 pair outs and 4 gutshot outs.

BigRounder9 06-03-2007 01:44 PM

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If he's loose he's probably more capable of 3betting KJ and AJ than you think.



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Like I said: Villain is a bit loose, but not overly aggressive. In fact, this was probably the first time I saw him 3-bet preflop. I'm pretty sure he does not have KJ or AJ. AK or an underpair is my best case scenario, but I feel I'm more likely up against AA or KK, especialy after a flop-raise.


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