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tmcdmck 11-16-2007 01:01 PM

raising limpers vs 3betting
 
is it correct to have different ranges for 3betting and raising limpers preflop? why? I have been thinking about this alot, and cannot reach a conclusion. my gut instinct is that you should raise limps wider than you would three bet, as the pot does not swell quite so much. thoughts?

emKay 11-16-2007 01:22 PM

Re: raising limpers vs 3betting
 
Their limping range is much wider than their raising range, obv you have to raise their limps w a wider range

tmcdmck 11-16-2007 01:25 PM

Re: raising limpers vs 3betting
 
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Their limping range is much wider than their raising range, obv you have to raise their limps w a wider range

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okay what if it is 2 different people: one limps every hand he plays, one raises every hand he plays what then?

also for me my raise range = atc, my limp range = junk vs passive fish

PureDiesel 11-16-2007 01:25 PM

Re: raising limpers vs 3betting
 
I prefer not to raise wide OOP, bloats the pot.

tmcdmck 11-16-2007 01:31 PM

Re: raising limpers vs 3betting
 
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I prefer not to raise wide OOP, bloats the pot.

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sometimes that is a good thing, isn't it?

creedofhubris 11-16-2007 04:13 PM

Re: raising limpers vs 3betting
 
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I prefer not to raise wide OOP, bloats the pot.

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When you're OOP you welcome a bloated pot

jay_shark 11-16-2007 05:08 PM

Re: raising limpers vs 3betting
 
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is it correct to have different ranges for 3betting and raising limpers preflop? why? I have been thinking about this alot, and cannot reach a conclusion. my gut instinct is that you should raise limps wider than you would three bet, as the pot does not swell quite so much. thoughts?

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If your hand is better on average than the limpers range ; more importantly , if you would have called a button's raise anyway , then there is nothing wrong with raising the pot oop . This is especially true against a player who telegraphs the strength of his hand by his limps .

In theory , we should raise in position with hands slightly worse than average or better since we have a positional advantage . Likewise , we should raise with hands oop with hands that are better than average to compensate for the positional disadvantage .

So to answer your question , if an opponent limps with weak hands but raises with strong hands , then you should raise the limper more often than 3 bet the raiser .

soop 11-16-2007 05:54 PM

Re: raising limpers vs 3betting
 
This is a *great* theory question. Cross post to theory forum pls with 100% raiser vs 100% limper example.

When I get a chance, I'm gonna try to think about this some and see if I can come up with anything profound.

Somekid 11-16-2007 08:00 PM

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I prefer not to raise wide OOP, bloats the pot.

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When you're OOP you welcome a bloated pot

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Could you explain this [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

soop 11-16-2007 08:15 PM

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I prefer not to raise wide OOP, bloats the pot.

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When you're OOP you welcome a bloated pot

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Could you explain this [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Yeah this is not intuitive at all. But both creed and cwar seems to agree on it so I'm not going to dismiss the idea just yet. Forgive me if I am misinterpreting y'alls posts.

Read Going beyond jam/fold. Creed's explanation is pretty good.
http://twoplustwo.com/magazine/issue35/bush1107.html

No explanation, but same idea (I think).
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=0#Post12916655


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